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The Pope strikes again...

Correa Neto

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Correa Neto
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http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/09/12/pope.france.secular.ap/index.html

cnn article said:
But he added that societies must also be "more aware of the irreplaceable role of religion for the formation of consciences and the contribution which it can bring to -- among other things -- the creation of a basic ethical consensus within society."
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OK, how many times we saw this sort of argument? Can he back it? I say no.

Not to mention that I fail to see religion creating a "basic ethical consensus within society". I think nowadays religion has a great tendency of causing conflicts within societies. How he wants this "ethical consensus" to happen, since religions claim be contain the ultimate truth and quite often consider those from other religions (or no religion at all) as somehow inferior?

Theocracy? A government-sponsored religion?

The problem is not secularism. The problem lies within religious doctrines and their self-proclaimed ultimate irrevocable truths.

Sorry for the rant.
 
Of course we need religion for morality. Just look at the National Academy of Sciences, those bunch of rapists, thieves, and murderers...
 
Religion has a place in politics. Of course. As long as that doesn't lead the politicians to blind and stupid strategies, I'm totally fine with it. But, on the article:

Traditionally Roman Catholic France is wrestling with its changing religious landscape, and how to reconcile it with the secularism that underpins the modern French Republic. The country has a growing number of Muslims whose visible customs, such as wearing headscarves in public schools, have raised the hackles of officials determined to preserve the boundaries between church and state.
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Sarcozy is flirting with disaster, if he plans on reversing the french secularism. I'm afraid that the population will disapprove that strongly.
 
I imagine the pope as a small child, wailing, "You DO need religion!! You DO!! You DO!! YOU DO!!", simply because if we all realize that we don't need religion, we also don't need him.
 
Madalch said:
I imagine the pope as a small child, wailing, "You DO need religion!! You DO!! You DO!! YOU DO!!", simply because if we all realize that we don't need religion, we also don't need him.
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I don't think it is as simple as that, but simply put yes, you don't believe, you don't donate, much like a soccer team. Only that with the pope, we're the ball.

In my family it is considered really bad not to be ok with religion. I am some sort of outcast, because I refuse to have communion. Even by the precepts of the catholicism I couldn't, in fact, since I confessed my sins... sixteen years ago? for the last time. And when I tell that, I'm frowned upon for the second time. They think that religion makes you better than others. I don't.
 
Correa Neto said:
Sorry for the rant.
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Don't apologise. Religion has no monopoly on beauty and inspiration, and they have got away for too long stating that they do.

Humility is realising our planet's insignifigance.
Arrogance is presuming we need a divine father.
 
Elizabeth I said:
I'm curious what you mean by this.

Thanks!
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Actually, it is a random remark that went lost in the reply. I meant that it has a place - in the bookshelf, not in the heart or minds of the politicians, but it ain't cleverly explained there.
 
The Pope strikes again...





Sorry, but he makes too much already - and just look at his benefit package........
Get a replacement from Manpower!!
 
Not just religion; he specified Christianity. From the article linked in the OP:
Traditionally Roman Catholic France is wrestling with its changing religious landscape, and how to reconcile it with the secularism that underpins the modern French Republic. The country has a growing number of Muslims whose visible customs, such as wearing headscarves in public schools, have raised the hackles of officials determined to preserve the boundaries between church and state.
On the plane, Benedict expressed understanding for secular traditions, but added that, nonetheless, "Religion and politics must be open to each other."
"The presence of Christian values is fundamental for the survival of our nations and our societies," he said.
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Is that why Israel and many countries with large Muslim populations have had troubles--because they don't have Christian values?
 
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Nancarrow said:
Are you sure it's not because of your unusual choice of font and text colour, you heathen?
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Funny you call me heathen and make fun of my font. I'm just messing around with the config options... hehe. And I had a group of friends named "the Heathen" in another forum back in my first forum days. Weee!
 
"Religion has a place in politics"

Since religions are parts of cultures, unfortunately it has. Much more than it should have IMHO. I can accept laws defending religious freedom (to a certain point - no human sacrifices, no evangelistic missions to native people, no special benefits such as tax-free churches, etc.). But that's all.

Not to mention that religion IS a source of conflict. And the pope ignores this. No religious conflict? Only in an area where everyone has the same religion (and they will still seek trouble with their neighbours)- or where no one has a religion. Unless you can create -and spread- a religion which does not claim to contain the ultimate truth.
 
Madalch said:
I imagine the pope as a small child, wailing, "You DO need religion!! You DO!! You DO!! YOU DO!!", simply because if we all realize that we don't need religion, we also don't need him.
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Wasn't that the exact reason for Religion in the first place?
 
I guess currently its trying to maintain the status quo, especially when it comes to its own leaders.
 
For a price, wich includes submission to the religion's leaders, following a code which quite often is filled with prejudices and anger against the others, opressive pointless rules, draining resources to keep the religion's hiearchy and infrastructure...
 
Are people still listening to this little man in the funny outfit? Unbelievable! If anyone else showed up in public wearing what this guy wears, they would be mocked, or at least looked at funny, but since he is the head of the Catholic religion, he is admired...What a laugh.
 
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