Porpoise of Life
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Getting bed bugs and scabies because you occasionally sleep in a bed in a homeless shelter isn't proof of a huge mind control conspiracy, it's just what you can expect.
the new normal?, toward a "Psychocivilized" Society?, our "Brave New World"? ...
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I'm reminded of an old joke. Science guy is demonstrating a device the size of a .22 caliber pistol which he used to vaporize a M60 tank.
The military is excited but one guy ask him about the cable attached to the pistol. He follows it back to eighteen shipping containers.
What's in those containers?
Three million AAA batteries.
gabeygoat
Master Poster
To OP, if there's a point to be made, it's easier to convince people with brevity.
Thermal
August Member
Or a point
Allen773
Graduate Poster
What is this are "normal" our new CIA Stasi Western Europe .exe shutdown meltdown fatal error WesternCivilization.exe shutting down permanently
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
I suggest a merge with the Quick Hit thread.
Thermal
August Member
Objectoon. Gonna need to know where this OP stands on hamsters
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Well, it looks like a DBP to me
Thermal
August Member
Nah, just takes a while to draft up four page rebuttals
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
FTFY
Those tend to get copy-pasted and posted verbatim in a lot of places. Googling around and this is the only place this has been posted, which is weird.
CORed
Penultimate Amazing
I'm pretty sure scabies mites are aerobic (at least, I'm not aware of any anaerobic multicellular organisms). I barely skimmed the OP's wall of text, and didn't even notice the howler about the scabies "virus".
ETA: On further reflection, multicallular organisms are, to some degree facultatively anaerobic, in that the do have anaerobic metabolic pathways, though mammals, at least, require oxygen for the central nervous system.
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CORed
Penultimate Amazing
Well, unless we start an "incoherent ramblings of the mentally ill" subforum, I have to agree. Then again, I guess this subforum is the closest we have to that.
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Hellbound
Merchant of Doom
I could be wrong, but I suspect it was started somewhere else and moved here by TPTB. You're likely seeing pre-move posts
your reactions . . .
Let me first tell you that your reactions, lack of articulation, adopted arguing stances (lack thereof), being upset about having to "read", "think" "'too' much", even the coordinated mob feel of it all, I find interesting. They would make for excellent Anthropologies/consciousness studies.
I could leave it at that since this is obviously not a conversation at all and you are not specifying what it is "not factual" about my post. I am replying to your comments because my primary intention was not being cynical and I do believe in karma in the sense of that paraphrasing of Hemingway's words (who coincidentally was targeted during the last phase of his life (some say, even assassinated by USG)). Also, I asked my TI friends to try to refrain from chiming in, that I was going to reply to those "smart cookies" even if only for the enjoyment of people running into this "conspiracy" thread in the future.
For whatever reason, a previous incident with a colleague came to my mind. I am a scientist who became in the U.S. a Math and sciences teacher, but I have always (even ferally some of my friends say) read about all kinds of (mostly technical and "philosophical") stuff. My colleague was one of those "Humanities" kinds of guys who seems to be a truly smart guy who thinks for himself and he read a lot but almost exclusively about "History" and such kinds of matters (in the way I understand reality, if you are truly smart you would not be swallowed by such themes, but this is not the theme of our conversation). We were talking about Foucault's take of societal consciousness and Hegel thoughts about "History" in the general, "Zeitgeist", evolutive "pure thought/thinking" (in an algebraically reducing) way which frames the societal, cultural and individually authoring aspects of our minds (which to me is one of the most amazing ideas I have ever known of). Hegel was kind of raising the status of "History" to the one shared by the physical and logical sciences (in which you have actual proofs, what you have in the "Humanities" are all kinds of rationalizing ********).
We were having what I considered to be a very interesting conversation about such matters (basically narrowing our discussions to the French, Russians, Germans, Athenians (not exactly ancient Greeks as a whole) having a history as a people (at the very least some anomalous "historical moments"), but, as excellent examples, the British, Spanish and Spanish having from none to very minimal (for example, when gringos "terroristically" fought off British occupation) and that is why they have to resort to all kinds self-serving ideations such as "the white man's burden", the Monroe doctrine, "freedom loving" (what the preposterous eff does USG care about "freedom"?), ... as some sort of band-aid, which from a consciousness studies point of view is mostly a societal level artifact). Our question was, what made those people in those moments successfully conscientized their reality?
I could see he was very much aware of the kinds of questions we were discussing. He had been asking himself the same kinds of questions even if from another point of view. If I had to explain the idea with the least amount of words (and Hey! you can certainly read, try to understand Hegel, Foucault, but off of those things called "books", not your cell phones!): how is it possible that (in the Hegelian sense) whole societies, people would be like zombies? which of course has obviously manifested expressions. I would say to him that the New York Times with its "all the news that is fit to print" (or whatever) is mostly (almost entirely?) neurotic ******** and the people, for the most part, don't realize it, that at the very least in Cuba the main news paper has a large capital letters "official voice of the communist party of cuba central committee" prominently display on the top of its front page (could you imagine the NYTimes changing their line to something more like: "mouth piece for the status quo and corporations in the U.S."), that people in the U.S. find silly, stupid, brainwashing, indoctrinating when Muslim people go for their praying calls for a few minutes a day, while they spend one fourth (1/4) of their waking time watching TV, that even though they consider themselves to be the historic winners of WWII, the U.S. only participated in the last (1/5) of the war after the Nazis were bent into a defensive strategies and were being rolled over by the Red Army. From where do people invent all those ideations about the war being won by gringo and British "spy games" and "cracking the encryption of enigma boxes"?
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RE: Certainly wrong subforum, and probably wrong forum.
RE: All right, this is more like it! Shades of the good old JREF forum.
RE: I suggest a merge with the Quick Hit thread.
RE: Well, unless we start an "incoherent ramblings of the mentally ill" subforum, I have to agree. Then again, I guess this subforum is the closest we have to that.
Actually, the post was moved:
from: "Social Issues & Current Events"
to: "Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories"
You should be happy now
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RE: Scabies are mites, little bugs that burrow into your skin. Bacteria are aerobic or anaerobic. Viruses are neither. Restore checks and balances no matter your party affiliation.
Actually, the doctors after inspecting it closely told me they looked like scabies infections, which are produced not by the mites themselves but the anaerobic bacteria (not virus, you are right) they metabolically produce (kind of their poop). But doctors told me those kinds of infections you can only possibly get through skin-to-skin contact, that they are not in the air (like virus). Those doctors are very knowledgeable, professional and are my friends. They even (somewhat shamefully) used me to teach/show other doctor students about why my infection cases didn't look quite right. Even mildly rolling their eyes when I told them I hadn't had any kind of skin-to-skin contact with any other living thing.
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RE: Now, now.... Don't bother them with facts.´
RE: Why would the guy want to look it up? I don't even want to look it up.
RE: I'm pretty sure scabies mites are aerobic (at least, I'm not aware of any anaerobic multicellular organisms). I barely skimmed the OP's wall of text, and didn't even notice the howler about the scabies "virus".
Now it is even about "mind reading". It is a well-known technique of manipulators and of bots belonging to the misinformation brigades to find a mistake in a "wall of text" and start banging on it, since they can deal with the many other ideas in it. Girlfriend has explained to me many times that, yes, they use those techniques to mess with you, but people are actually like that, so it works.
Again, the links were removed but you could still find the information provided you wanted to and absolutely all I said is falsifiable (which I think is what bothered you), so, let me answer in kind. What is it you are so sure about not being factual?:
* that the people chose Trump as U.S. President?: Well, Trump didn't invent the electoral college game. He just used it to his advantage in the most successful way so far in the history of U.S. presidential campaigns
* that I brought them to court with the networking log files and even after they admitted that they were not providing me with the Internet access and telephone service I was paying for they dismissed my case? OK, do you need for me to post a link to the proceedings of that small court case (the recordings of the whole case, which you are legally entitled to)
* that USG, their acolytes and local collaborators have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII and not a single one of their "freedom of the press" media venues touch any of it with a 10 feet pole? All you need to factually prove or disprove this statement is public information and a search engine (for lack of an awaken mind). In order to calculate the genocidal ratio of both wars (and not a civil war is ultimately among peoples, right?) you need two divisions and their ratio (one more division) and probably an approximation which is all 3rd grade common core Math. And of course, it is not just about the "Math" in it, when the Nazis were doing their "freedom loving", "Manifest destiny", "exceptionalism", ... all that great stuff during their "good for business" wars they were not bored enough in their own minds to toy with "white man burden" ideations and go mess with "savage" "negritos" on the other side of the world, but instead used their "worldsonlysuperpowerness" to go after people that could and did defend themselves on an equal basis right in Europe and when the Red Army raised the kill ratio to 1-to-1 and basically rendered their huge military machinery inoperative, Nazis chose to test if "God was really with them", effectively opting for their Götterdämmerung.
* Nowadays, they even boast about "global surveillance". Isn't technology great?! (Pixel Juice (6:47): SIIP- Speaker Identification Integrated Project vimeo 219362794) and sure! This is about "terrorism", as they say "wars are good for business"; is "terrorism" good "for business" (TM), too?
What is not "factual" about any of that? Hmm! What other non-factual thing could they possibly mean?
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RE: This poster definitely needs to be redirected to the Yuno thread. And then all the rest of us should make it read-only.
Oh, "all the rest of us" could you, please, do me the favor of posting my comments on the front of the NY Times for every one to see it. Is the paper edition of the New York Times "read-only" enough for you?
In fact, I myself and other people have made "read-only" copies of this thread!
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RE: Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Indeed! But catapults and all other engineering technologies will only get you that far.
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RE: (I had to remove all links) Such a bummer.....
Actually, not a "bummer" at all. It tellingly exposes you and your kind of "skepticism"
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RE: Facts, schmacts. Just look at that epic wall of text! I started to try and read it and my eyes rolled back in my head, looked at my brain, and said, "Seriously?".
Great Lord! My eyes and my brain are talking to one another!?!
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RE: BTW, have you tried decaf?
I seldom drink coffee? What does it have to do with "factuality" or anything? Approximately, on a weekly basis, how many times do you masturbate/have sex?, fast?, eat raw garlic?
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RE: Oh my that was torture to read - I did find this pearl in all the muck thou:
Quote: he reverted laws put in place by Obama to give the regular police in the U.S. the right to acquire all kinds of military-grade weaponry (including Direct Energy Weapons),
Wow someone invented a direct energy weapon that is portable enough to be used by the police? REALLY....do share? Tell us about these microwave, laser, particle beam and sonic weapons the police are using on us.
Inform yourself and try to faithfully read what I actually wrote if you can. BTW, I am a Physicist, tech monkey myself. USG has even been boasting about DEWs themselves.
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RE: Getting bed bugs and scabies because you occasionally sleep in a bed in a homeless shelter isn't proof of a huge mind control conspiracy, it's just what you can expect.
Oh, that was so illuminating, what sense making capabilities!
~
RE: To OP, if there's a point to be made, it's easier to convince people with brevity.
I don't give a **** about "persuasion" and, sorry, I would not know how to brief you about such huge and hellish matters. There is something, however, called honesty and whoever reads this thread will come out of it with what he/she can.
~
RE: Nah, just takes a while to draft up four page rebuttals
Yes, as mom and dad advised, stay away from harm
~
rlopez2
Let me first tell you that your reactions, lack of articulation, adopted arguing stances (lack thereof), being upset about having to "read", "think" "'too' much", even the coordinated mob feel of it all, I find interesting. They would make for excellent Anthropologies/consciousness studies.
I could leave it at that since this is obviously not a conversation at all and you are not specifying what it is "not factual" about my post. I am replying to your comments because my primary intention was not being cynical and I do believe in karma in the sense of that paraphrasing of Hemingway's words (who coincidentally was targeted during the last phase of his life (some say, even assassinated by USG)). Also, I asked my TI friends to try to refrain from chiming in, that I was going to reply to those "smart cookies" even if only for the enjoyment of people running into this "conspiracy" thread in the future.
For whatever reason, a previous incident with a colleague came to my mind. I am a scientist who became in the U.S. a Math and sciences teacher, but I have always (even ferally some of my friends say) read about all kinds of (mostly technical and "philosophical") stuff. My colleague was one of those "Humanities" kinds of guys who seems to be a truly smart guy who thinks for himself and he read a lot but almost exclusively about "History" and such kinds of matters (in the way I understand reality, if you are truly smart you would not be swallowed by such themes, but this is not the theme of our conversation). We were talking about Foucault's take of societal consciousness and Hegel thoughts about "History" in the general, "Zeitgeist", evolutive "pure thought/thinking" (in an algebraically reducing) way which frames the societal, cultural and individually authoring aspects of our minds (which to me is one of the most amazing ideas I have ever known of). Hegel was kind of raising the status of "History" to the one shared by the physical and logical sciences (in which you have actual proofs, what you have in the "Humanities" are all kinds of rationalizing ********).
We were having what I considered to be a very interesting conversation about such matters (basically narrowing our discussions to the French, Russians, Germans, Athenians (not exactly ancient Greeks as a whole) having a history as a people (at the very least some anomalous "historical moments"), but, as excellent examples, the British, Spanish and Spanish having from none to very minimal (for example, when gringos "terroristically" fought off British occupation) and that is why they have to resort to all kinds self-serving ideations such as "the white man's burden", the Monroe doctrine, "freedom loving" (what the preposterous eff does USG care about "freedom"?), ... as some sort of band-aid, which from a consciousness studies point of view is mostly a societal level artifact). Our question was, what made those people in those moments successfully conscientized their reality?
I could see he was very much aware of the kinds of questions we were discussing. He had been asking himself the same kinds of questions even if from another point of view. If I had to explain the idea with the least amount of words (and Hey! you can certainly read, try to understand Hegel, Foucault, but off of those things called "books", not your cell phones!): how is it possible that (in the Hegelian sense) whole societies, people would be like zombies? which of course has obviously manifested expressions. I would say to him that the New York Times with its "all the news that is fit to print" (or whatever) is mostly (almost entirely?) neurotic ******** and the people, for the most part, don't realize it, that at the very least in Cuba the main news paper has a large capital letters "official voice of the communist party of cuba central committee" prominently display on the top of its front page (could you imagine the NYTimes changing their line to something more like: "mouth piece for the status quo and corporations in the U.S."), that people in the U.S. find silly, stupid, brainwashing, indoctrinating when Muslim people go for their praying calls for a few minutes a day, while they spend one fourth (1/4) of their waking time watching TV, that even though they consider themselves to be the historic winners of WWII, the U.S. only participated in the last (1/5) of the war after the Nazis were bent into a defensive strategies and were being rolled over by the Red Army. From where do people invent all those ideations about the war being won by gringo and British "spy games" and "cracking the encryption of enigma boxes"?
~
RE: Certainly wrong subforum, and probably wrong forum.
RE: All right, this is more like it! Shades of the good old JREF forum.
RE: I suggest a merge with the Quick Hit thread.
RE: Well, unless we start an "incoherent ramblings of the mentally ill" subforum, I have to agree. Then again, I guess this subforum is the closest we have to that.
Actually, the post was moved:
from: "Social Issues & Current Events"
to: "Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories"
You should be happy now
~
RE: Scabies are mites, little bugs that burrow into your skin. Bacteria are aerobic or anaerobic. Viruses are neither. Restore checks and balances no matter your party affiliation.
Actually, the doctors after inspecting it closely told me they looked like scabies infections, which are produced not by the mites themselves but the anaerobic bacteria (not virus, you are right) they metabolically produce (kind of their poop). But doctors told me those kinds of infections you can only possibly get through skin-to-skin contact, that they are not in the air (like virus). Those doctors are very knowledgeable, professional and are my friends. They even (somewhat shamefully) used me to teach/show other doctor students about why my infection cases didn't look quite right. Even mildly rolling their eyes when I told them I hadn't had any kind of skin-to-skin contact with any other living thing.
~
RE: Now, now.... Don't bother them with facts.´
RE: Why would the guy want to look it up? I don't even want to look it up.
RE: I'm pretty sure scabies mites are aerobic (at least, I'm not aware of any anaerobic multicellular organisms). I barely skimmed the OP's wall of text, and didn't even notice the howler about the scabies "virus".
Now it is even about "mind reading". It is a well-known technique of manipulators and of bots belonging to the misinformation brigades to find a mistake in a "wall of text" and start banging on it, since they can deal with the many other ideas in it. Girlfriend has explained to me many times that, yes, they use those techniques to mess with you, but people are actually like that, so it works.
Again, the links were removed but you could still find the information provided you wanted to and absolutely all I said is falsifiable (which I think is what bothered you), so, let me answer in kind. What is it you are so sure about not being factual?:
* that the people chose Trump as U.S. President?: Well, Trump didn't invent the electoral college game. He just used it to his advantage in the most successful way so far in the history of U.S. presidential campaigns
* that I brought them to court with the networking log files and even after they admitted that they were not providing me with the Internet access and telephone service I was paying for they dismissed my case? OK, do you need for me to post a link to the proceedings of that small court case (the recordings of the whole case, which you are legally entitled to)
* that USG, their acolytes and local collaborators have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII and not a single one of their "freedom of the press" media venues touch any of it with a 10 feet pole? All you need to factually prove or disprove this statement is public information and a search engine (for lack of an awaken mind). In order to calculate the genocidal ratio of both wars (and not a civil war is ultimately among peoples, right?) you need two divisions and their ratio (one more division) and probably an approximation which is all 3rd grade common core Math. And of course, it is not just about the "Math" in it, when the Nazis were doing their "freedom loving", "Manifest destiny", "exceptionalism", ... all that great stuff during their "good for business" wars they were not bored enough in their own minds to toy with "white man burden" ideations and go mess with "savage" "negritos" on the other side of the world, but instead used their "worldsonlysuperpowerness" to go after people that could and did defend themselves on an equal basis right in Europe and when the Red Army raised the kill ratio to 1-to-1 and basically rendered their huge military machinery inoperative, Nazis chose to test if "God was really with them", effectively opting for their Götterdämmerung.
* Nowadays, they even boast about "global surveillance". Isn't technology great?! (Pixel Juice (6:47): SIIP- Speaker Identification Integrated Project vimeo 219362794) and sure! This is about "terrorism", as they say "wars are good for business"; is "terrorism" good "for business" (TM), too?
What is not "factual" about any of that? Hmm! What other non-factual thing could they possibly mean?
~
RE: This poster definitely needs to be redirected to the Yuno thread. And then all the rest of us should make it read-only.
Oh, "all the rest of us" could you, please, do me the favor of posting my comments on the front of the NY Times for every one to see it. Is the paper edition of the New York Times "read-only" enough for you?
In fact, I myself and other people have made "read-only" copies of this thread!
~
RE: Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Indeed! But catapults and all other engineering technologies will only get you that far.
~
RE: (I had to remove all links) Such a bummer.....
Actually, not a "bummer" at all. It tellingly exposes you and your kind of "skepticism"
~
RE: Facts, schmacts. Just look at that epic wall of text! I started to try and read it and my eyes rolled back in my head, looked at my brain, and said, "Seriously?".
Great Lord! My eyes and my brain are talking to one another!?!
~
RE: BTW, have you tried decaf?
I seldom drink coffee? What does it have to do with "factuality" or anything? Approximately, on a weekly basis, how many times do you masturbate/have sex?, fast?, eat raw garlic?
~
RE: Oh my that was torture to read - I did find this pearl in all the muck thou:
Quote: he reverted laws put in place by Obama to give the regular police in the U.S. the right to acquire all kinds of military-grade weaponry (including Direct Energy Weapons),
Wow someone invented a direct energy weapon that is portable enough to be used by the police? REALLY....do share? Tell us about these microwave, laser, particle beam and sonic weapons the police are using on us.
Inform yourself and try to faithfully read what I actually wrote if you can. BTW, I am a Physicist, tech monkey myself. USG has even been boasting about DEWs themselves.
~
RE: Getting bed bugs and scabies because you occasionally sleep in a bed in a homeless shelter isn't proof of a huge mind control conspiracy, it's just what you can expect.
Oh, that was so illuminating, what sense making capabilities!
~
RE: To OP, if there's a point to be made, it's easier to convince people with brevity.
I don't give a **** about "persuasion" and, sorry, I would not know how to brief you about such huge and hellish matters. There is something, however, called honesty and whoever reads this thread will come out of it with what he/she can.
~
RE: Nah, just takes a while to draft up four page rebuttals
Yes, as mom and dad advised, stay away from harm
~
rlopez2
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Edited to remove two masked curse words to comply with rule 10. If you must swear in the public sections of the forum (such as this subforum) then please type all words out in full and spell them correctly without any replacement characters, and allow the autocensor to fully mask them if they are on the naughty list.
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Jesus Christ I just spit milk out of my nose I haven't drunk any milk in years.
Hellbound
Merchant of Doom
For God's sake, man, learn the quote function!
Thermal
August Member
Called it!
Rlopez2, when you want to respond to an individual quote, go to the lower right hand corner of the post you want to quote and click on 'quote'. The screen will set up for you to reply to just that comment, makes for easier reading
timhau
NWO Litter Technician
That is a tragedy.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
rlopez2: perhaps if you could distill it all down to a couple of points, and summarise what you are trying to communicate, you would get a more productive response.