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Emre_1974tr said:
You're nothing but a liar and insidious missionary, Scorpion.

Even if you play such games, it shows once again that you are not on the divine path.

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But your book is just as bad. Your book is nothing; it's just a bunch of assertions, just like the Quran. If you're going to pick apart "their" book, you need to be able to tear Apart "your" book.
 
Peregrinus said:
Scorpion:

Earlier in Mat 5 we find:

Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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It is not difficult to find gospels’ passages that say one thing and its contrary: To preserve and abolish the Law; to love and to hate enemies, etc. This is the effect of a composition made by many hands and retouches in the background of the evolution of the Christian communities. Consistence is not the main Christian virtue.
I think there is an important difference between Christianity and Islam in the present issue:

Islam was preached by Muhammad in the context of a true fight against actual enemies. Despite some valuable precepts as “there is no compulsion in religion”, the Koran is a warring book. In addition, medieval. Therefore, it is full of brutality.
On the contrary, the gospels are apocalyptic literature. That is to say, Jesus —evangelical Jesus— thought that he was on the earth to predict his imminent comeback accompanied by celestial cohorts. Jesus preached the same brutality as Muhammad —or worse— but not present, but in the end of the times. En attendant, true believers —in any of the diverse Christian versions— have dedicated themselves to some previews of the Apocalypse. Their means were more rudimentary that the final holocaus t —nothing of fire rains or universal floods—, but they did what they could wthin their capacities.

Therefore, it is difficult to say if Islam is worse than Christianity or vice versa. Islam has taken advantage now —with the permission of Catholic Croats and Orthodox Serbians—, but the things can change in different circumstances.
 
Peregrinus said:
Scorpion:

Earlier in Mat 5 we find:

Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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Jesus did not condone the Torah's law of stoning adulterers. He stopped a stoning by telling those without sin to cast the first stone.
 
There is no evidence outside the Bible itself that Jesus actually existed.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
There is no evidence outside the Bible itself that Jesus actually existed.
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There are the following references. There is also the matter of the well documented persecution of Christians by Nero in a time which was within living memory of Jesus lifetime. The fact that Christians were ready to die rather than recant suggests Jesus was real.


From the annals of the Roman historian Tacitus. Annal 15:44

15.44.2. But, despite kindly influence, despite the leader's generous handouts, despite appeasing the gods, the scandal did not subside, rather the blaze came to be believed to be an official act. So, in order to quash the rumour, Nero blamed it on, and applied the cruellest punishments to, those sinners, whom ordinary people call Christians, hating them for their shameful behaviour.
15.44.3. The originator of this name, Christ, was sentenced to torture by Procurator Pontius Pilate, during the reign of Tiberius, but although checked for a moment, the deadly cult erupted again, not just in Judaea, the source of its evil, but even in Rome, where all the sins and scandals of the world gather and are glorified.

Pliny the Younger
Pliny was the governor of the Roman province of Bithynia, in present-day Turkey. In about 112 AD, he wrote (in Epistles X.96) to the emperor Trajan, asking for advice on how to deal with the Christians in his province, because he was executing so many of them. Pliny wrote:

'They were in the habit of meeting before dawn on a fixed day. They would recite in alternate verse a hymn to Christ as to a God, and would bind themselves by a solemn oath, not to do any criminal act, but rather that they would not commit any fraud, theft or adultery, nor betray any trust nor refuse to restore a deposit on demand. This done, they would disperse, and then they would meet again later to eat together (but the food was quite ordinary and harmless.)

The following is the text from the works of Josephus that describes Jesus and mentions the crucifixion.
It is considered to be a falsification inserted by the early Christians. Obviously a hand written text could be fixed by scribes at any time in the approximately 1500 years the manuscript existed before printing was invented.
But that is no reason not to give it consideration.

The following text is from Flavius Josephus (c37-100AD)
The Antiquities of the Jews. Book 18.3.3

Now there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principle men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again on the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Bible is not in the market right now. There are many gospels and hadith books that contain human words under the name of the Bible. So the Bible in your hand contains many mistakes, of course
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There are religious idiots of many faiths. And Muhammad flew to the heavens on winged horses and the moon is made of cheese. At what point do religious people start using their brains? Muhammad was a pedophile who killed countless people. You have to be a moron to believe in this nonsense. Perhaps this is why the Arabs have invented almost nothing. T
Try reading a science book as opposed to your silly mythology.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
I don't use Bibles. We only have the Koran now as a Holly Book.

The evidence shows that, of course.
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Try reading a science book. You'll be better off.

Here are some recommendations

Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica Isaac Newton 1687
The Origin of the Species Charles Darwinian 1859.

I realize you're stuck in the 7th century. These will get you closer to modernity.

More contemporary
A Brief History of Time Stephen Hawking 2001
The Universe in a Nutshell Stephen Hawking 2010
The Demon Haunted World; Science, a Candle in the Dark Carl Sagan 1997
The Greatest Show on Earth: The evidence for Evolution. Richard Dawkins 2010

Time to get your head out of The Dark Ages
 
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Scorpion said:
Jesus did not condone the Torah's law of stoning adulterers. He stopped a stoning by telling those without sin to cast the first stone.
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The incident of the woman taken in adultery (why not one word about the man involved?) is not found in any manuscript for many generations after the fact. It's not original to the context. Other examples of "telling" phrases & incidents which do not appear in the earliest known manuscripts abound.
 
Scorpion said:
I would like to know where Jesus said anything like the cruel verses of Muhammad.
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Luk_14:26 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also..."

Without descending to attempting to "score" one cruelty against another, this is cruelty personified.
 
Peregrinus said:
Luk_14:26 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also..."

Without descending to attempting to "score" one cruelty against another, this is cruelty personified.
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You missed off the end of the verse which makes clear he was referring to his disciples.

Luke 14
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple
 
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