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The Keurig Effect

There are a variety of reusable one cup pods for Keurigs. I have these purple ones. You buy a set of 6 or more, preflll them with ground coffee of your choice, and use them just like the disposables. They are more of a nuisance because they need to be rinsed and reloaded but it feels better than throwing away so much plastic. The one trick is to keep them frozen if possible in a sealed bag to keep them fresh until use.
 
smartcooky said:
Also, the Streisand Effect, or the Spycatcher Effect, and a quote from Oscar Wilde...'There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.'
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And also of course,
“Your Majesty is like a stream of bat's piss.”

Oh. No. That was Whistler wasn’t it . . .
 
Leftus said:
No, what they had done is conflated twitter noise for customer feedback.

I was one of the people who stopped buying Gillette products. It wasn't the advertising per se, but their reaction to people calling them out on their mistake. I just want shaving products, I don't need to make a political statement with it. So I went with Harry's and haven't looked back. But, of course, now we are living in a world where I don't have to go into the office, I'm not shaving but once a month.

I don't consider the political message I make when I buy consumer products. I doubt I'm alone in this thinking. I think it's like what is happening in the comic book industry. The people who are complaining would never buy the books in the first place, even if the changes they are demanding go into place. Happened in the computer gaming space too.
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I went the cheaper route. I bought a Wahl and stopped shaving altogether.
 
I think there's probably a tipping point in whether one regards politics in a buying decision, and that many people take more trouble than it's worth. I try to prefer to buy products whose management I like, and to avoid products whose management I don't, but I think it's silly to boycott a good product just because someone who may have little to do with them chose to sponsor a show you don't like, or because you don't like the CEO's politics. On the other hand, I think there comes a point where a corporate stand goes too far. When a company's management acts in ways that do damage to people's rights, or lobbies for reactionary laws, like religious exemption from state healthcare coverage, etc., then yes, I think it's time to say I'm not going to buy their junk.
 
Well, tbh, I just wanted people to be aware that publicly owned corporations tend do not spend their money on promoting some political agenda. If it comes out of the CEO's own pocket, sure, he might just be pushing his own agenda. If it comes from the corporate bank account, it's not. If one's using corporate funds to push an own agenda, AT BEST one would be crucified at the next investor meeting, and at worst it actually falls under the legal definition of embezzlement. So basically you can bet that it actually falls under marketing, not under idealistic ideology pushing.

This applies just as much to some of the recent trying to provoke a controversy for publicity, as to the old style of PR of trying to be associated with positive things. They're not your ideological best buddies either way. I just felt that a lot of people don't seem to have that bit of information in their premises.

What people do with that information, well, that's up to them. I'm not telling anyone to buy or not to buy from a company.
 
Giordano said:
There are a variety of reusable one cup pods for Keurigs. I have these purple ones. You buy a set of 6 or more, preflll them with ground coffee of your choice, and use them just like the disposables. They are more of a nuisance because they need to be rinsed and reloaded but it feels better than throwing away so much plastic. The one trick is to keep them frozen if possible in a sealed bag to keep them fresh until use.
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At that point you might as well just brew a whole pot. If you're going to be doing the whole rinse/reload process, you might as well get more cups of coffee on each run.
 
theprestige said:
At that point you might as well just brew a whole pot. If you're going to be doing the whole rinse/reload process, you might as well get more cups of coffee on each run.
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Not really. With the reusable pods you still brew only the coffee you will actually drink, it is always a fresh brew, and the effort of rinsing and reloading the pods is modest (one reloads all eight pods at one time, so the actual brewing involves just popping a prepared pod in the machine and pressing the button like the single use pods). In shared office environment everyone can still buy and use the type and amount of coffee they themselves want.
 
Just get a proper espresso machine.
No pods

Note. That these make actual coffee, not the pint of coffee drink that Merkans are used to.
 
HansMustermann said:
Well, tbh, I just wanted people to be aware that publicly owned corporations tend do not spend their money on promoting some political agenda. If it comes out of the CEO's own pocket, sure, he might just be pushing his own agenda. If it comes from the corporate bank account, it's not. If one's using corporate funds to push an own agenda, AT BEST one would be crucified at the next investor meeting, and at worst it actually falls under the legal definition of embezzlement. So basically you can bet that it actually falls under marketing, not under idealistic ideology pushing.

This applies just as much to some of the recent trying to provoke a controversy for publicity, as to the old style of PR of trying to be associated with positive things. They're not your ideological best buddies either way. I just felt that a lot of people don't seem to have that bit of information in their premises.

What people do with that information, well, that's up to them. I'm not telling anyone to buy or not to buy from a company.
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True, but closely held corporations such as Hobby Lobby or Chick Fil-A certainly can push agendas if they want to. As you say, it's doubtful that publicly held corporations can do more than have a style or a leaning, but some of that, in the form of company policies, can still have an effect. I would not consider it a reasonable or effective act to bother to boycott Wal Mart, for example, but if there were a Sam's Club and a Costco next to each other, I think I'd go to Costco first.
 
bruto said:
True, but closely held corporations such as Hobby Lobby or Chick Fil-A certainly can push agendas if they want to.
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Even those only to a limited degree, really. There are laws that specifically protect minority share holders, and the laws about embezzlement still apply. Even if you have 51% of the shares, or for that matter even if you have 99% of them, you still can't use corporate money for some personal goal to make the world or the city a better place, a la Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark or Oliver Queen. When the lawman comes asking, you still have to explain how it was supposed to somehow benefit sales. (E.g., by whitewashing your corporate image or publicity or such.)

Mind you, they can set their own policies and stuff, and you can agree or disagree with those. But when it comes to stuff like the Gilette ad, yeah, it was an ad and it was only done because a bunch of marketing guys thought (justified or not) that it would increase sales. Is all I'm saying.
 
EHocking said:
Just get a proper espresso machine.
No pods

Note. That these make actual coffee, not the pint of coffee drink that Merkans are used to.
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I did that for awhile. Even enjoyed the ritual of tamping down the grounds and steaming the milk (when I wanted a cappuccino). Enjoyed that there was a learnable skill involved and the better quality of the resulting drink. But it requires more at-time-of-delivery effort than do K cup machines. I’ve been more lazy lately.
 
EHocking said:
meh. there is a reason that a watered down espresso is called an Americano . . .
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Surely you are aware that Americans drink both at different times? We have a rather thriving industry around each. The difference is that we drink coffee the way other places drink tea. Or parsley soda, or whatever you guys drink any time of day. Many of us drink coffee all day long, just as a sipping thing. Do you guzzle espresso literally all day long?
 
Well, I'm under the impression that most people drink water too around here. Of course, it's a rather second hand impression. Me... well, let's just say I can relate to Fry:
 
bruto said:
I think there's probably a tipping point in whether one regards politics in a buying decision, and that many people take more trouble than it's worth. I try to prefer to buy products whose management I like, and to avoid products whose management I don't, but I think it's silly to boycott a good product just because someone who may have little to do with them chose to sponsor a show you don't like, or because you don't like the CEO's politics. On the other hand, I think there comes a point where a corporate stand goes too far. When a company's management acts in ways that do damage to people's rights, or lobbies for reactionary laws, like religious exemption from state healthcare coverage, etc., then yes, I think it's time to say I'm not going to buy their junk.
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There are lines in the sand that I will not cross, for example, I'd chop off a toe before I'd bank with Wells Fargo.

Years ago, shopping for insurance for my Camaro, a co-worker of mine said "check out USAA" and I did. Had the best rates. Eventually moved all of my banking to them. Mostly because the bank I was with, Chase I think, was way too inconvenient. Zero ATMs near where I worked. So I ate charges, both from the ATM, and from Chase from not using one of their ATMS (which, again, wasn't an option).

It would take a massive change in corporate zeitgeist for me to move to another banking service. Probably not the best example as it's not as easy as switching razor supplies. But that is another story, momentum, and getting the customer to act. Probably explains on why Wells Fargo still exists.
 
Giordano said:
I did that for awhile. Even enjoyed the ritual of tamping down the grounds and steaming the milk (when I wanted a cappuccino). Enjoyed that there was a learnable skill involved and the better quality of the resulting drink. But it requires more at-time-of-delivery effort than do K cup machines. I’ve been more lazy lately.
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Last year, when considering a new coffee pot, I did all sorts of research. By that I mean watching youtube videos. And, damn there were all sorts of kits out there that took so much effort just to make a pot and they expected me to do all this without coffee? I went with a Breville Precision brewer. Made the best cup of coffee I ever had. A marked improvement over my Mr. Coffee with the same overall effort. Fill the water tank, grind beans, toss them into a filter and hit two buttons. One to turn on and one to go. Come to think of it, the button pushing doubled. But I've managed to survive the workload.

I saw this one video where you had to stir the steeping beans every 30 seconds or something. I just want a cup of coffee! Don't want to stir! I blame the kids today, not knowing how good they got it.
 
I'm just waiting for the day when one of these:

https://www.bostondynamics.com/spot

Is able to reliably handle all coffee-making tasks autonomously. Grinding the beans, filling the coffee maker, pressing the buttons, etc. I don't necessarily want an all-in one coffee-making system. I want a general-purpose robot that can take any coffee maker and fill in the steps the maker itself can't do. Including opening cupboards, retrieving bulk containers, measuring out portions for the week, etc.
 
theprestige said:
I'm just waiting for the day when one of these:

https://www.bostondynamics.com/spot

Is able to reliably handle all coffee-making tasks autonomously. Grinding the beans, filling the coffee maker, pressing the buttons, etc. I don't necessarily want an all-in one coffee-making system. I want a general-purpose robot that can take any coffee maker and fill in the steps the maker itself can't do. Including opening cupboards, retrieving bulk containers, measuring out portions for the week, etc.
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A walking coffee table would work for me too. Just need a place to secure a carafe and a cold spot for the cream and I'm good. I'm sure we've all had the struggle of being out of coffee but having to get up to get more! OH the humanity, I just got comfortable and the moment I get up my dog is stealing my spot.
 
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