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The DeSantis gambit

Donal said:
That's what you got out of Beelzebuddy's post?
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He made the statement that he thought that BIden should just ask AOC what to do and then do it in a post a few months ago.Yeah, I do judge people on the "BOdy of work" they post.
 
Norman Alexander said:
For a guy who is SO in love with the US constitution, DeSantis sure seems to dislike the First amendment.
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If he was honest about his beleifs, he would have called his book "Courage to be Fascist".

What is telling is not so long ago, someone with his eye on the White House would have denounced this idea,but now De Santis de facto by his silence promotes it.
 
dudalb said:
He made the statement that he thought that BIden should just ask AOC what to do and then do it in a post a few months ago.Yeah, I do judge people on the "BOdy of work" they post.
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You made me nostalgic, I remember liking that post (from a year ago; that's a long time to grind that axe) so I'm going to quote it. For context: AOC had just made the news joining an Amazon union strike where none of the established leaders of Democratic party would make eye contact when asked about it. "Florida Man" here is DeSantis, so technically it's even on topic!

Beelzebuddy said:
[On GOP fascists being from younger generations] That's the point. That's what young conservatives look like these days, because the population has shifted to the left while political ideologies have lurched to the right. Florida Man, I Can't Recall and Gaspedo are the best they can do. Where are their contemporaries on the Democrat's side? The young liberals who stand to inherit the party once the boomers finally die in their seats? DNC leadership (which to their credit typically were the people in the marches, etc) have spent a lifetime fighting down every challenge to their power, making it them or nothing, and now they're old, and it's still them or nothing.
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Beelzebuddy said:
I want to follow on to this, because I'm the guy who spends most political threads saying it's no use fighting past battles, it's where we go from here that matters. It would be great to take a time machine back fifteen years and just start slapping people in the face when they make dumb decisions, but we can't. Here's how to fix this boondoggle:

Beelzebuddy's Evil Plan to Save America
  • Take a pen and paper.
  • Give them to AOC.
  • Do everything she says.

There's a damn good reason the GOP is pants-pissingly terrified of her. She has more media-savvy in her little finger than Hillary's entire circlejerk of a focus group did. It is an outright tragedy that she is not already considered DNC leadership. She will probably tell you to give Bernie Sanders a pen and paper. Do that too. Every ounce of effort spent infighting, marginalizing and silencing passionate voices within the party is an unforced error that the GOP will not hesitate to take advantage of.

Out of curiosity, I googled for the Amazon unionization story to see if any Democrats had even bothered to show up. Two congresscritters did. Two. Want to guess who they were? AOC and Bernie Sanders. Bernie gets a lot of crap in these threads, but he's out there doing a better job of being a Democrat than the Democrats. New York has two D Senators. Where were they? Were they too busy? Was it not worth their time? Amazon, correct me if I'm wrong, is kind of all over the US now, right? Shouldn't every Democrat be watching for similar opportunities? Like, all the time?

Aside from (but almost certainly included in) AOC's dictation, if there's news that the Democratic party sees as a good thing, they need to make damn well sure there's a statement from a Democrat saying it's a good thing in the story about it. Get the county dog catcher (D) in there to spout off about how great it is if that's what it takes. You can't sit back and expect people to find the the GOP odious enough to vote against, you've got to get out there and remind people what they're voting for.
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dudalb said:
And if you think that AOC and Sanders are simply wrong in some of their policies?
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Then maybe talk about it instead of marginalizing them altogether? There's room in the middle, you know, the irony of having to say that to a "centrist" notwithstanding. Maybe the party does need to move left, and there just might be a happy medium between a literal Republican and a radical leftist strawman?

But nah, heil AOC, Bernie fo lyfe, you can rest comfortably in Gilead knowing that you lost with dignity.
 
dudalb said:
And if you think that AOC and Sanders are simply wrong in some of their policies?
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Treat them like you would the extreme right-wingers. Compromise and deal with them in good faith.
 
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. No human being is correct 100% of the time. I think Bernie and AOC are closer to correct and to sanity than anyone in the Republican party, and a good few on the centrist wing of the Democrats, but then I do come from the communist hellhole that is Scotland in Western Europe :) . I don't believe in 100% of the policies of either of these people but here they would be regarded largely as centrist moderates and not seen as any kind of threat unless you were part of the privileged or the 1%
 
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John Oliver did a good piece on DeSantis.



It highlights the fact that DeSantis is a narcissist who doesn't really give a **** about governing. He just wants power, and he knows how to perform to get it.
 
Foster Zygote said:
John Oliver did a good piece on DeSantis.



It highlights the fact that DeSantis is a narcissist who doesn't really give a **** about governing. He just wants power, and he knows how to perform to get it.
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Great job by Oliver. I agree that DeSantis is a power-hungry narcissist. I see little difference between him and Trump.
 
De Santis and Trump..it's like a feud between Hitler and Mussolini...best thing we can hipe for is they destory each other.
 
dudalb said:
De Santis and Trump..it's like a feud between Hitler and Mussolini...best thing we can hipe for is they destory each other.
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Yep. The two are vying for the same position and I hope they unleash the hounds of hell on each other.
 
Thinking about DeSantis and his attempt to control the criticism of bloggers, and I ran across this little snippet from ancient Rome. This a letter of C. Matius to Cicero, regarding the assassination of Caesar and its aftermath.

"You will smart for it then," they say, "since you dare to condemn what we have done." What unheard of insolence, that some men may boast of a crime, which others may not even deplore without being punished for it! Why, even slaves have always had this much freedom, that their fears, their joys, and their sorrows were subject to their own control, and not that of another; and now even those privileges they are trying to wrest from us by intimidation—that at any rate is what your "champions of liberty" are perpetually saying.
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Nothing new under the sun.
 
DeSantis went on Tucker Carlson to proclaim that protecting Ukraine is not in the USA's interest, because it's just a "border dispute".
NYT article, didn't seem to be paywalled for me. Lots of other sources available
 
bruto said:
Thinking about DeSantis and his attempt to control the criticism of bloggers, and I ran across this little snippet from ancient Rome. This a letter of C. Matius to Cicero, regarding the assassination of Caesar and its aftermath.



Nothing new under the sun.
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:thumbsup::thumbsup:

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."

Harry S. Truman

ETA: corrected. Thanks to TheGoldCountry.
 
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Truman wasn't Republican. Of course, Eisenhower was, and he's certainly not the same as modern Republicans.
 
Stacyhs said:
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."

Harry S. Truman, Republican...or what used to be Republican.
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For some people, that's not a warning, it's a goal.
 
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