The "Carlos Swett affair"

[compjan]

Re: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Are you afraid to analize the tape?

You remind me Randi.

Thanks,
S&S

I don't care about the tape. It's been analyzed by others in great detail. No one but you has seen anything interesting.

Since you appear to obsessed with this issue, I'll leave you to it. You don't want to respond to my points about your refusal to face reality. I predict you will spend the rest of your life posting on internet groups about your "paranormal hat" and only a few fanatics will listen to you. In my crystal ball I see you ranting and raving about Randi's supposed "silence" well into the 21st century. I hope you enjoy yourself, other wise your efforts will be wasted.

Now, to show you what a nice guy I am I'll give you a little help with your English. When you wrote "Are you afraid to analize the tape? You remind me Randi.", you should write "Are you afraid to analyze the tape? You remind me of Randi."

CompJan




Fixed typo

 

[Guest]

SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH

I don't care about the tape. It's been analyzed by others in great detail. No one but you has seen anything interesting.

Since you appear to obsessed with this issue, I'll leave you to it. You don't want to respond to my points about your refusal to face reality. I predict you will spend the rest of your life posting on internet groups about your "paranormal hat" and only a few fanatics will listen to you. In my crystal ball I see you ranting and raving about Randi's supposed "silence" well into the 21st century. I hope you enjoy yourself, other wise your efforts will be wasted.

Now, to show you what a nice guy I am I'll give you a little help with your English. When you wrote "Are you afraid to analize the tape? You remind me Randi.", you should write "Are you afraid to analyze the tape? You remind me of Randi."

CompJan




Fixed typo

Hi Compjan:

Thanks for the corrections, but remember english is not my first language, and I don't use a virtual translator.
Maybe Harter did it with my application (was in spanish) so that's the reason of his lies or better I say "his mistakes".

So compjan:Are you afraid to anayze the tape?
You remind me of Randi.

Thanks again.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Ceinwyn]

my synopsis

Are you afraid to anayze the tape?
You remind me of Randi.

Thanks for the corrections, but remember english is not my first language.

You accuse others on this forum of being afraid to answer questions. Are your afraid?

I'd rather hear your response. I never mentioned the money or the analysis, just your inability to deal with the hard reality of your situation. Why do you dodge the questions?

How we can trust you?,
Where is your location?,

Remember I said in my notarized application to JREF this:
"THE PRESENCE OF A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL ACTIVITY is observed.

A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL

A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL

A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL

But when you still "it dissapears" (??????)

I did not send to JREF.
But yes, I also saw it, and I saw birds flying : they are free to fly.

Now that I see there are many fans or "believers" of the "bird" assumption, let me remember what you said in that page:
" I agree with Harter that the object is probably a bird. "

This is a wonderful preview to my section concerning your application. I will show just as clearly as you have just done how you refuse to accept answers you don't like and then you lie about what was said.

A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL

A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL

A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL.

I hope and wish you will get better and better of your infection.
Remember I have 4 teenagers children, and is hard those illness.
Sincerely PR I hope medicine or whatever make you feel better soon.

Since you appear to obsessed with this issue, I'll leave you to it.

 

[Purple Tentacle]

this case is closed

with out a doubt this object is an out of focus bird, no question about it.

just a side thought - if an object tried to fly through the WTC when carlos claims it did, it would have a VERY tough time getting through ! imagine all the elevators and rubble , not to mention a whole plane in there aswell, i know for a fact that NOTHING could find its way through there!

 

[Patricio Elicer]

I performed a simple experiment. I asked my brother to watch the clip posted by Blue Monk, and then to describe what he saw.

It was a totally unbiased experiment, he had no idea of the whole matter of this thread (he never reads the forums) and the only thing I told him in advance is that it was a sequence of the WTC attacks.

His answer: Well, nothing especial, except for a bird passing in front of the camera

We discussed the issue afterwards, and he pointed out that the bird could also be seen against the smoke in the upper left part of the little screen, a fact that I hadn't realized myself.

 

[Guest]

DESCUBRIENDO EL AGUA TIBIA

I performed a simple experiment. I asked my brother to watch the clip posted by Blue Monk, and then to describe what he saw.

It was a totally unbiased experiment, he had no idea of the whole matter of this thread (he never reads the forums) and the only thing I told him in advance is that it was a sequence of the WTC attacks.

His answer: Well, nothing especial, except for a bird passing in front of the camera

We discussed the issue afterwards, and he pointed out that the bird could also be seen against the smoke in the upper left part of the little screen, a fact that I hadn't realized myself.

Hola Patricio:

Tu hermano ha descubierto el "agua tibia", y tu no sabes entender lo que escribes y lees.Tienes un tremendo problema.

When you said:"he pointed out that the bird could also be seen against the smoke in the upper left part of the little screen, a fact that I hadn't realized myself." , is because you are not focus in what I said in my application, I will remember you that part again and again:

Part of Carlos Swett notarized application(translated by Patricio Elicer):
"..It is possible, though with difficulty, to “see the image of the paranormal activity” moving inside the smoke cloud in the opposite direction of the shifting smoke. We recommend that the shot is watched in a frame by frame slow motion mode."

So, Patricio, nothing new in "YOUR" "main discovery", I already told that in my application.
Is your own fault that you did not understand your own translation, another mistake.

Remember also what YOU also said after you looked "Blue Monks' video" : "If you look carefully to the animation, you'll see that the bird is not continuously seen along its trajectory. I guess it has something to do with the frame rate or the shutter speed of the camera, but the fact is that there are gaps in the movie where the bird is not visible".

Yes Patricio,specially after "your paranormal bird "In its trajectory through the smoke, it enters the hole left by the first plane (north tower) and gets out the other side of it, giving the false impression that it “passes behind the tower”.(is also in your translated version of my notarized application to JREF)

Say hello to your brother, and remember him also that Harter, Pink Rabbit and Blue Monk are not sure that is a "bird".

Now try to see the video again. And remember to read carefully, perhaps that why Andrew Harter also made "mistakes" in his answer to my application.

Thanks,
S&S

P.S.
Espero que entiendas el español, renegado de nuestro idioma, perro del inglës.
Y recuerda también que yo use una cinta de 3/4 de los propios canales de televisión y sus propios equipos profesionales.Con esa tipo de cinta y equipos no se producen esos saltos.
Chao perdedor, ahora entiendo por qué no pusiste mi aplicación desde el comienzo, perro.

 

[Guest]

"WE DON'T EVER SEE THE BIRD IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS"

Originally posted by CurtC at the Swett Video Survey


Anyway, I had put the following picture together from four consecutive frames, showing why we don't ever see the bird in front of the bright wall, but Carlos chose to ignore it.

Carlos - when the bird was in front of the bright part of the tower, the video camera was between frames. Can you understand this? Also, the bird did not go through the smoke like you keep saying, it went between the smoke and the camera, but much much closer to the camera.

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Hi CurtC

Yes I understand that you can not ever see "your bird" in FRONT OF THE WALLS, only entering in the hole left by the first plane (north tower) and gets out the other side of it, you posred that picture at http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=220447#post220447

Well is just Internet (like Harter did) but also in 3/4 tapes (best resolution)and with proffessional equipments you will never see it, so don't worry.

Thanks,
S&S

P.S. I guess you are the "technical" in video?

 

[rwald]

Here's a zoomed in image I made of when the bird clearly passes in front of the second tower. The first and third frames show the tower without the bird in it; the second frame shows the bird in front of the tower. The blob of smoke in the second frame is clearly darker than in the first or third frames; that darkenss is the bird. If this doesn't convince you, I don't know what will. Of course, that's going to be the case.

 

[rwald]

A reference image, to show where the previous GIF came from. Note that this image corresponds to the second frame in the previous GIF, so that's why you can't see the bird. It's the dark spot in the middle of the black rectangle.

 

[Guest]

THE EFFORT IS WHAT IT COUNTS

Here's a zoomed in image I made of when the bird clearly passes in front of the second tower. The first and third frames show the tower without the bird in it; the second frame shows the bird in front of the tower. The blob of smoke in the second frame is clearly darker than in the first or third frames; that darkenss is the bird. If this doesn't convince you, I don't know what will. Of course, that's going to be the case.

Hi Rwald:

Your image is "so clear"(is that the correct word?).

But let me remind you something: I already said in my notarized application that "the paranoramal activity" or "bird"(in your case)entered in the hole left by the first plane (north tower) and gets out the other side of it.

So Rwald, I already knew all the trajectory of "the object" , yes it entered in the hole, yes "your bird" is there, but that is not new in this case, but good effort anyway.

I also said:
Part of Carlos Swett notarized application(translated by Patricio Elicer):
"..It is possible, though with difficulty, to “see the image of the paranormal activity” moving inside the smoke cloud in the opposite direction of the shifting smoke. We recommend that the shot is watched in a frame by frame slow motion mode."

Rwald, try to post an image of "your bird" just a frame after the one you did, so it can be seen against the wall, at the right side of the hole.

I will help you with one picture posted by curtc, he also can not see "the object " IN FRONT OF THE bright wall of theTOWER"(not the hole, rwald, not the hole)
Thanks,
S&S

Picture posted by Curt C in another thread(swett video survey)

 

[rwald]

Carlos, if the object were behind the smoke cloud (as you claim), you couldn't see it at all. It would be completely obscured. However, if it is in front of the smoke cloud (as the rest of us claim), you would be able to see it. I have shown that the object can be seen in front of the smoke cloud. Therefore, the object never passed through the building, and was in front of the building.

 

[rwald]

Here is the shot where it is just the the right of the towers, with the shot immmidiatly following it. One of your main claims is that the object isn't seen against the wall of the tower in the first of these shots. This GIF shows the reason: the object isn't long enough to be seen in front of the tower. The part that is to the right of the tower is all there is of the object. The second shot shows exactly how long the object is, and it's clear that you shouldn't see the object in front of the tower in the first shot, because in that shot the object had already completely passed the tower.

 

[hal bidlack]

well, given that Carlos is unable to understand the concept "in advance" (perhaps a kind and better educated person than me could translate those two words into Spanish?), we are unlikely to make any progress with the pictures.

Even if he was 100%, completely, spot on, correct about a flying paranormal hat, the simple fact that he did not set up a contact with the JREF before the event means it just doesn't matter.

Why do I think Carlos will respond by claiming I didn't answer his questions, and therefore nothing else matters?

I did just get back from a couple days at the JREF, and you will be pleased to know that Mr R enjoyed being told that I had been declared "Randi's pope" by Carlos. He promptly told a pope joke. I demanded my million bucks, but settled for being driven around in Sophia instead.

 

[Blue Monk]

I know I wasn't going to respond until Sunday but I couldn't help asking this quick question.

Am I understanding you correctly Carlos? Are you agreeing that the image is in each frame and in full view the entire time?

If so, what on earth makes you think it passed through the tower?

I hope you will answer this as I think it might clear up some confustion.

 

[Blue Monk]

rwald,

One point that has always been confused is that Carlos has said all along that the image could be seen in front of the tower on that shot.

It seems the critical shot in question is the one preceding it when it is in the smoke.

To me that it can be seen is proof that it is in front of the tower.

Carlos

I don't want to put words in your mouth Carlos so I'm only asking to try and make things clearer.

Are you saying that you see the object in the previous shot in the smoke and this is when you believe the object passing through the building?

And if so why?

 

[Guest]

A LITTLE CONFUSED?

I know I wasn't going to respond until Sunday but I couldn't help asking this quick question.

Am I understanding you correctly Carlos? Are you agreeing that the image is in each frame and in full view the entire time?

If so, what on earth makes you think it passed through the tower?

I hope you will answer this as I think it might clear up some confustion.

Hi Blue Monk:

yes, Blue Monk, yes, Remember you are using the same poor method that Harter used to answer my application.

I used another method, just read again my application.
If you analyze the image with a 3/4 tape and with proffessional equipments, like I did, you will find a better resolution and more frames per second , the image will be constant and continue in the "frame by frame" ,with no jumps.

But don't worry Blue Monk, even if you do that analysis you will find that you will never see "the object" at the right side of the hole in the wall of the north tower. That confirms that the "object " entered the hole . Then you can do an analysis of the form and you will find that is the same that Latinijral posted here.

Take your time Blue Monk, don't worry about Sunday as you said before.
I am glad you did not used "bad" words in your last replies.

 

[Guest]

BIDLACK AND RANDI :"THE AMAZING MEETING" (PREVIEW)

well, given that Carlos is unable to understand the concept "in advance" (perhaps a kind and better educated person than me could translate those two words into Spanish?), we are unlikely to make any progress with the pictures.

Even if he was 100%, completely, spot on, correct about a flying paranormal hat, the simple fact that he did not set up a contact with the JREF before the event means it just doesn't matter.

Why do I think Carlos will respond by claiming I didn't answer his questions, and therefore nothing else matters?

I did just get back from a couple days at the JREF, and you will be pleased to know that Mr R enjoyed being told that I had been declared "Randi's pope" by Carlos. He promptly told a pope joke. I demanded my million bucks, but settled for being driven around in Sophia instead.

Hi Mr. Hal Bidlack (conferencist at the "amazing meeting") :

Are you still worried about the rules?

You posted this :"Even if he was 100%, completely, spot on, correct about a flying paranormal hat, the simple fact that he did not set up a contact with the JREF before the event means it just doesn't matter" Hal Bidlack

Remember Bidlack, I have Harter's answer to my notarized application, and was made with the aprooval of Randi.

So now you are "thinking" that what I claimed is true.?

What kind of Skeptic are you?

So you talked to Randi about your denomination as "randi's pope".
I am glad he laughed, I hope you did too.

But Bidlack , what did he told you about what he saw in the video they studied on internet?

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Baker]

Acutely it does show up on the right tower you can track it from the left of the screen.
Starting in the smoke until it go’s off the screen just viewing the video over and over again it becomes clear it’s that it’s much closer to the screen.

All have to go with the bird theory.
If you look at the video closely you can see it on the right tower it will slightly darken in the area marked.

 

[Purple Tentacle]

you avoid the real proof carlos.

it IS a bird carlos, nice effort though, ha ha

ALL the NEWBIES download this 2mb MPG, (rightclick and choose "save-as")

http://www.inlex.net/bluemonk/WorldTrade01.avi

if you cannot get the video to play, goto http://www.divx.com/ and download the latest Divx player, this WILL solve the problem.

http://www.inlex.net/bluemonk/WorldTrade01.avi

Download it, See the birds fly and watch as Carloss has NO explanation for this video. !

THIS CASE IS CLOSED !!!

 

[Guest]

Re: BIDLACK AND RANDI :"THE AMAZING MEETING" (PREVIEW)

Hi Mr. Hal Bidlack (conferencist at the "amazing meeting") :

Are you still worried about the rules?

You posted this :"Even if he was 100%, completely, spot on, correct about a flying paranormal hat, the simple fact that he did not set up a contact with the JREF before the event means it just doesn't matter" Hal Bidlack

Remember Bidlack, I have Harter's answer to my notarized application, and was made with the aprooval of Randi.

So now you are "thinking" that what I claimed is true.?

What kind of Skeptic are you?

So you talked to Randi about your denomination as "randi's pope".
I am glad he laughed, I hope you did too.

But Bidlack , what did he told you about what he saw in the video they studied on internet?

Thanks,
S&S

TO BID LACK AND MR. R:

Did you talk about this "bird":