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The Bermuda Triangle

CoreyWhite said:
[qimg]http://grimoire.genesismuds.com/bermuda-triangle.jpg[/qimg]The second, I flipped the east west axis.
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You didn't do it correctly. You flipped over a flat, disk-shaped picture, not the earth. If you flip the Earth on the "East-west axis" you have shown, you'd see Europe and Africa, "upside-down".

Here's something to ponder: Why does a flat mirror show a left-right reflection, and not a up-down reflection? Why the preference for left-right? When you figure that out, you may spot the fallacy in your earth thingy.
 
Did you know, Corey, that if you cross the international date line, it does not mean you get to have dinner with a cute foreign woman?
 
Corey, maybe no one has explained this to you before, but there are two north poles (gasp!) Let's look into them one at a time.
First, there is the one we all think of when we hear the phrase, that's the axis on which the planet spins as it travels around the sun. There is no east/west pole because our planet is spinning like a top, along just the one axis.
The second north pole is not all that far away from the other one. If memory serves me correctly it's in the northern pacific ocean. That's the magnetic north pole, which is what the magnets point to. There is no east/west magnetic pole, just like there's no east/west end of a simple refrigerator magnet.
I hope that clears things up a bit.
 
Tricky said:
Did you know, Corey, that if you cross the international date line, it does not mean you get to have dinner with a cute foreign woman?
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Actually, it does, at least in the Navy. Depending on the port, it might cost you a bit, but still...


Marc
 
As someone who has lived for a year in Alert, Nunavut (between the magnetic North Pole and the geographic North Pole), as well as spending three years living in Bermuda and travelling through the 'triangle', I can attest that there have been no ill effects.

Though I did end up having 11 children with big eyes. :eye-poppi

RayG
 
MRC_Hans said:
The planet has two poles, period. You can be right insofar as you can say that the placement of those poles is arbitrary.
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[Nitpick]Well, "poles" being a rather electro-magnetic term, I would say that the magnetic poles are hardly placed arbitrarily. :D [/nitpick]

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CoreyWhite said:
I thought about this more last night while I was sleeping, so lets change the definitions of what we are talking about.

Lets call the north pole, up, and the south pole down. Now if you had a mini-globe in your hand you could do this experiment. The north pole faces up, and the south pole faces down. And if you run your hand around the globe, you can't continue traveling east or west around it forever, because eventually you meet the east/west axis of your body, and you hand begins to move to your left side, or your right side. So relative to you holding the globe it has an east west axis. And it also has an outside inside axis, as it moves away from you, or as it moves closer to you.

So those are the 3 directions,
towards-away from the sun.
up-down from the sun.
right-left from the sun.

But in conventional thinking we don't have a right-left from the sun, and only have a up-down and north-south. Because we can keep traveling east forever, but when we travel north eventually we start moving south.

Why do you think this is? One possible theory is that the earth is rotating so fast, it loses all noticable measure of being right/left of the sun. And instead those dimensions become a rotation, where you can either move with the rotation, or move against the rotation.

Ideas?
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If they are ideas, they are bad ones.
 
CoreyWhite said:
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But in conventional thinking we don't have a right-left from the sun, and only have a up-down and north-south. Because we can keep traveling east forever, but when we travel north eventually we start moving south.

Why do you think this is? One possible theory is that the earth is rotating so fast, it loses all noticable measure of being right/left of the sun. And instead those dimensions become a rotation, where you can either move with the rotation, or move against the rotation.
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Rubbish.

It is all a question of reference points. When you grab a globe by hand, your body is your reference point. That is totally irrelevant for Earth.

If your reference point is the sun, then there is a left and right, but it has still no relevance. As for rotating fast, yes, since Earth's rotation is not synchronized with it's orbit, it doesn't make sense to look at left or tight, from the reference of the sun. For instance for the moon, you might say it has a left side and a right side (viewed from Earth).

I have a suggestion: Instead of all this fabulation, why don't you cut to the chase and simply state your point (assuming you have one)?

Hans
 
pchams said:
[Nitpick]Well, "poles" being a rather electro-magnetic term, I would say that the magnetic poles are hardly placed arbitrarily. :D [/nitpick]

http://www.jpdawson.com/pelgnet/pelchap7/earmagflz.gif
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Neither is the rotational axis of the planet. What is arbitrary is our choice to place the geographical poles so that the rotational axis intersects them. Just to use your example, we could have opted to place them so they coincided with the magnetic poles, instead. Then we would not need to correct our compass courses, but we would need to correct our clocks instead.

Hans
 
why not 6 poles?

Poles always come in pairs. So if the West Pole is in the Bermuda Triangle, where's the East Pole?

And just for the sake of symmetry, why not a third set of poles, intersecting the others like a set of big XYZ axes?
 
CoreyWhite said:
I thought about this more last night while I was sleeping, so lets change the definitions of what we are talking about.

Lets call the north pole, up, and the south pole down. Now if you had a mini-globe in your hand you could do this experiment. The north pole faces up, and the south pole faces down. And if you run your hand around the globe, you can't continue traveling east or west around it forever, because eventually you meet the east/west axis of your body, and you hand begins to move to your left side, or your right side. So relative to you holding the globe it has an east west axis. And it also has an outside inside axis, as it moves away from you, or as it moves closer to you.

So those are the 3 directions,
towards-away from the sun.
up-down from the sun.
right-left from the sun.
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Actually there are four directions, not three. Hubwards, Rimwards, Widdershins,...

Sorry, am I thinking of something else?:boxedin:

But in conventional thinking we don't have a right-left from the sun, and only have a up-down and north-south. Because we can keep traveling east forever, but when we travel north eventually we start moving south.

Why do you think this is? One possible theory is that the earth is rotating so fast, it loses all noticable measure of being right/left of the sun. And instead those dimensions become a rotation, where you can either move with the rotation, or move against the rotation.
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We don't measure directions in relation to orbit around the Sun because this has no relevance to travel on the Earth's surface. And if we did we'd all get lost during the night.
 
CoreyWhite said:
So those are the 3 directions,
towards-away from the sun.
up-down from the sun.
right-left from the sun.
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No, these are all the same direction. They are towards/away from the sun. Up-down & right-left have no meaing in relation to the sun as seen from space. There is no "universal" up/down/left/right.

CoreyWhite said:
Because we can keep traveling east forever, but when we travel north eventually we start moving south.

Why do you think this is?
Ideas?
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It's because we have divided up our globe in that way. If the early map makers had decided to put an "east" pole at Greenwich, England, then we'd have an East Pole. But it was more logical to end the longitude lines at single points at the N/S poles and have the latitude lines "circle" the globe in parallel rings. Going "north" or "east" etc. is just a human description so we all can find our way around. Seen from outer space the earth has no up/down/left right. There would just be toward or away from.
 
Brothers and sisters, please pray that Coreywhite is'nt an international pilot.I suspect that Great Circle navigation could prove "problematic"
 
RayG said:
...Though I did end up having 11 children with big eyes....
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I've written it before, and I'll write it again:

You're a special guy, Ray.

What color are those "big eyes?"

(I suppose with 22 eyes, they pretty much cover the spectrum of the rainbow.................)
 
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