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Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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pgwenthold said:
Hey, hey, hey. If we don't send the cops out to mentally ill people, especially those threatening suicide, then who is going to kill them instead?
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What gets me is when the "pro-police" crowd starts concern trolling about crisis workers being in danger. The idea that crisis workers might accept the risk because they see the mentally ill as human beings with the same right to live as they do never occurs to them.
 
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What gets me is when the "pro-police" crowd starts concern trolling about crisis workers being in danger. The idea that crisis workers might accept the risk because they see the mentally ill as human beings with the same right to live as they do never occurs to them.
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See the mentally ill as human beings? That's insane!
 
The thread has moved past normal thread drift into a different subject entirely. It is an interesting discussion, maybe consider starting a new thread to discuss it, while returning this one to its actual topic.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: sarge
 
After arresting a driver in Colorado in connection with a road rage report, these police officers handcuffed her and put her in the back of a police SUV which was parked on train tracks. Predictably, the SUV was struck at considerable speed by a train as the officers searched her vehicle.

The suspect received numerous serious injuries but is expected to survive.
 
Been posted a few times. This one I don't think really fits in with the "bad" behaviour this thread has been discussing, this is an example of stupidity, and that can happen in any organisation, even to otherwise not-stupid people.
 
The officer involved in the shooting of this 75 year old woman has more than 70 hours "Crisis Intervention Training". What a ******* joke.

I'd like to know on what day they were taught that,

1) If the subject cannot understand your language.
2) Is clearly mentally ill.
3) Has allowed two people to leave the house unscathed.
4) Is easily overpowered.
5) You are supported by another officer.

... and does not comply, then pump two rounds into her chest at around 3 ft.

That said there are a couple of talking points... awful but lawful? What would you have done?

Me? I'm almost certain I, with help from my partner officer, could have taken her down and disarmed her. More so if we were able to deploy a baton, taser or pepper spray.

(couldn't get the YT tag to work, here's the full link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1tdw5GzcrQ&t=1s
 
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Mother settles lawsuit over 2016 Texas arrest that was captured on video
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/25/us/fort-worth-arrest-lawsuit-settled-reaj/index.html

Fort Worth police investigate arrest of women caught on video
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/22/us/fort-worth-police-facebook

The Fort Worth made it very clear that they want officers like the one that arrested Ms. Craig to remain on the police force.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/22/us/fort-worth-police-facebook
The city’s police chief on Friday acknowledged criticism of the handling of the incident.

“Obviously, when we have an incident where there is some type of assertion that a juvenile has been inappropriately touched, injured, whatever, that should take precedence,” Chief Joel Fitzgerald said at a press conference. “And for the 99.9% of our police officers in this police department, that would have handled that case differently, I thank them.”
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If they did not want their officers mistreating the people they are supposed to serve, then they would arrest and prosecute them or at least fire them instead of keeping them employed and ready to cause more trouble.
 
I guess it's too much to expect the city of Denver to spend the grant money they received for mental health services on what it's actually intended for.

Audit finds Denver failed to spend nearly $400K in grant funds for mental health services

DENVER — A new report by Denver auditor Timothy O’Brien accuses the Denver Police Department and Denver Department of Public Safety of failing to spend hundreds of thousands in grant money meant for a co-responder program.

O’Brien detailed his findings in a 48-page audit.

"One of the things that we look at is certain contracts and how the city complies with those contracts,” O’Brien said.

O’Brien said the Denver Police Department failed to live up to its agreement by not spending $383,000 in grant money that could have been used on mental health services, including the city's co-responder program.

In 2018, Denver voters approved a quarter-cent sales tax to fund mental health services, including the co-responder program, which pairs licensed mental health clinicians with officers to respond to calls involving people with mental health challenges.

O’Brien said the unused grant money accrued interest and now the city owes $438,000 to the Caring for Denver Foundation, the nonprofit that distributes the taxpayer dollars through grants.

The audit also accuses the city of making late payments to its service provider and using some of the grant money on things not allowed.

“There are things that the police department was spending money on that were not allowed in the grant,” O’Brien said. “I mean, they spent money on things like travel, which was specifically something that could not spend money on the grant.”
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It's kind of difficult to provide mental health services when you won't spend the money on it.
 
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bluesjnr said:
The officer involved in the shooting of this 75 year old woman has more than 70 hours "Crisis Intervention Training". What a ******* joke.

I'd like to know on what day they were taught that,

1) If the subject cannot understand your language.
2) Is clearly mentally ill.
3) Has allowed two people to leave the house unscathed.
4) Is easily overpowered.
5) You are supported by another officer.

... and does not comply, then pump two rounds into her chest at around 3 ft.

That said there are a couple of talking points... awful but lawful? What would you have done?

Me? I'm almost certain I, with help from my partner officer, could have taken her down and disarmed her. More so if we were able to deploy a baton, taser or pepper spray.

(couldn't get the YT tag to work, here's the full link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1tdw5GzcrQ&t=1s
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It didn't work because of the 1second timestamp in your link
 
bluesjnr said:
The officer involved in the shooting of this 75 year old woman has more than 70 hours "Crisis Intervention Training". What a ******* joke.

I'd like to know on what day they were taught that,

1) If the subject cannot understand your language.
2) Is clearly mentally ill.
3) Has allowed two people to leave the house unscathed.
4) Is easily overpowered.
5) You are supported by another officer.

... and does not comply, then pump two rounds into her chest at around 3 ft.

That said there are a couple of talking points... awful but lawful? What would you have done?

Me? I'm almost certain I, with help from my partner officer, could have taken her down and disarmed her. More so if we were able to deploy a baton, taser or pepper spray.

(couldn't get the YT tag to work, here's the full link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1tdw5GzcrQ&t=1s
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Also helps when the officers are OK with putting themselves in danger and maybe getting injured or even killed in the service of saving a life. If they won't step in front of an elderly woman it can't be shocking when they prove useless at stopping a school shooting.
 
47 Alameda County Sheriff deputies get unsatisfactory on psych evaluations; relieved of duties


That means the deputies – roughly 5% of the 1,000-member sworn force – who received "D. Not Suited" will be stripped of their arresting powers and firearms, but they will retain their pay and benefits.
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There is a letter attached to the article that give a bit more detail - it appears that at least one of them (maybe all of them) failed the psych exam during the hiring process but were hired anyway. :jaw-dropp:eye-poppi:boggled::jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp

Can't make this stuff up.
 
crescent said:
47 Alameda County Sheriff deputies get unsatisfactory on psych evaluations; relieved of duties




There is a letter attached to the article that give a bit more detail - it appears that at least one of them (maybe all of them) failed the psych exam during the hiring process but were hired anyway. :jaw-dropp:eye-poppi:boggled::jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp

Can't make this stuff up.
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Expect to hear far more of this sort of thing. I mean, assuming anyone wants to check. It's been an issue for a while now. Whenever some cop manages to get fired for some act of infamy and then is later hired in some far smaller lower profile place it isn't totally so much cops looking out for cops as it is that town honestly lacks better options to fill a poor paying slot.

There simply aren't enough qualified people to go around. Every time a politician wants to put more cops on the street it ignores that this requires more cops and it isn't like they grow on trees. The toxicity of the culture has limited the available recruitment pool and standards have collapsed.

Every time someone suggests putting more armed officers in schools I think about this. Where do people think these officers are coming from? We are in the middle of a dustup here because of the Sheriff's department pushing back on the school board getting the county commission to require more police presence at schools because they just don't have the resources to have people sit around all day.
 
Suddenly said:
Expect to hear far more of this sort of thing. I mean, assuming anyone wants to check. It's been an issue for a while now. Whenever some cop manages to get fired for some act of infamy and then is later hired in some far smaller lower profile place it isn't totally so much cops looking out for cops as it is that town honestly lacks better options to fill a poor paying slot.

There simply aren't enough qualified people to go around. Every time a politician wants to put more cops on the street it ignores that this requires more cops and it isn't like they grow on trees. The toxicity of the culture has limited the available recruitment pool and standards have collapsed.

Every time someone suggests putting more armed officers in schools I think about this. Where do people think these officers are coming from? We are in the middle of a dustup here because of the Sheriff's department pushing back on the school board getting the county commission to require more police presence at schools because they just don't have the resources to have people sit around all day.
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Simple solution: Deputize and arm the teachers! :rolleyes:
 
shemp said:
Simple solution: Deputize and arm the teachers! :rolleyes:
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Screw that. Arm the kids.

As it is, they just sit around all day leeching off the system. Put those little monsters to work - armed patrols, digging trenches and other fortifications, PE at the rifle range. I mean if you finish fifth grade without a good working knowledge of overlapping fields of fire, the difference between cover and concealment, and light infantry enemy infiltration tactics, then what is the point of even sending them to school? (Maybe save the artillery and armor until middle school).
 
crescent said:
Screw that. Arm the kids.

As it is, they just sit around all day leeching off the system. Put those little monsters to work - armed patrols, digging trenches and other fortifications, PE at the rifle range. I mean if you finish fifth grade without a good working knowledge of overlapping fields of fire, the difference between cover and concealment, and light infantry enemy infiltration tactics, then what is the point of even sending them to school? (Maybe save the artillery and armor until middle school).
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And they are already armoured!

https://www.thehomesecuritysupersto...-iiia-clear-multi-pocket-bulletproof-backpack

Comes with instructions on how your kid can hide behind it. Better make sure you get the right size of they may lose a foot!



The video for that product is perhaps more honest than the makers realise

At 1 minute 50 seconds they show the back pack being shot at ... by someone wearing a t-shirt with "POLICE" on the back of it....

 
crescent said:
Screw that. Arm the kids.

As it is, they just sit around all day leeching off the system. Put those little monsters to work - armed patrols, digging trenches and other fortifications, PE at the rifle range. I mean if you finish fifth grade without a good working knowledge of overlapping fields of fire, the difference between cover and concealment, and light infantry enemy infiltration tactics, then what is the point of even sending them to school? (Maybe save the artillery and armor until middle school).
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