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Telepathy

Yeggster said:
King ... think about this logical ... if telepathy existed, someone would have collected the million dollar prize by demonstrating it, sometime prior to 2015
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If you had telepathy (or, more exactly, the ability to read minds), you wouldn't need James Randi's prize to get a million dollars. In fact, I would keep it under wraps.
 
MikeG said:
Can you think of any way of testing this such that you would have the slightest evidence in support of your claim, instead of plucking this nonsense straight out of your backside?
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There is possibly quite a simple way to test this. Get a sound proof room with a chair and one window. Have "x" number of volunteers who do not know what they are being tested for sit in the chair facing away from the window (do something to avoid the use of peripheral vision)

Or even add a control group who do know what they are being tested for.

Get our hero to go to the window and stare at each volunteer for, say, a minute each. Count the numbers who turn around and the numbers who don't, after deciding on what constitutes a success rate. Piece if piss.

Norm
 
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fromdownunder said:
There is possibly quite a simple way to test this. Get a sound proof room with a chair and one window. Have "x" number of volunteers who do not know what they are being tested for sit in the chair facing away from the window (do something to avoid the use of peripheral vision)

Or even add a control group who do know what they are being tested for.

Get our hero to go to the window and stare at each volunteer for, say, a minute each. Count the numbers who turn around and the numbers who don't, after deciding on what constitutes a success rate. Piece if piss.

Norm
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Sounds reasonable. Especially the peace if piss part.
 
fromdownunder said:
There is possibly quite a simple way to test this. Get a sound proof room with a chair and one window. Have "x" number of volunteers who do not know what they are being tested for sit in the chair facing away from the window (do something to avoid the use of peripheral vision)

Or even add a control group who do know what they are being tested for.

Get our hero to go to the window and stare at each volunteer for, say, a minute each. Count the numbers who turn around and the numbers who don't, after deciding on what constitutes a success rate. Piece if piss.

Norm
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Indeed. I was rather hoping the KOTA would come up with something similar himself, and we could then ask him why something so simple hadn't been tried.
 
fromdownunder said:
There is possibly quite a simple way to test this. Get a sound proof room with a chair and one window. Have "x" number of volunteers who do not know what they are being tested for sit in the chair facing away from the window (do something to avoid the use of peripheral vision)

Or even add a control group who do know what they are being tested for.

Get our hero to go to the window and stare at each volunteer for, say, a minute each. Count the numbers who turn around and the numbers who don't, after deciding on what constitutes a success rate. Piece if piss.

Norm
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The control needs to be exactly the same set up, but with KOTA not staring at the volunteer. Just see if more turn round when they're being stared at.
 
turingtest said:
Still not quite getting the point, eh? I guess it needs to be made simpler for you- since your claim is that there is "well researched data" and "astounding test results" that you found indicative, nobody but you can say what that data and test results are. The whole problem with the silly "do your own research" retort is that anybody else putting up their own research, which may not agree with yours, opens up a game where you just say "well, that's not what the research I found says." The request is for a basis of discussion, not an excuse to avoid it.

I did do some research, though- and what I see directly contradicts yours. I guess you'll have to do your own research to find that, though.
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Alright, well, good luck to you.
 
Cat Not Included said:
The challenge ran for approximately 19 years and is well documented online. Are you saying that it never actually happened and all that info is faked? Or are you simply saying that the contest did not really evaluate fairly the participants fairly?

If you are sure you could have won the challenge, did you ever actually attempt to apply for it?
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Nope.

And, I have nothing further to say about said Challenge.
 
theprestige said:
Yes, it would be obvious that increased police presence reduces crime.


People might notice you staring at them? That doesn't need telepathy.


If memory serves? I thought you had found lots of convincing documentation. Now you're saying you can't even remember for sure.


You're not busy making money off a predictable physical phenomenon that produces useful results, though. If you actually had telepathy, you'd be the greatest advantage poker player in the world.

If telepathy were actually real, then every poker manual would include a chapter on mental shielding techniques, right before the chapter on avoiding physical tells.

ETA: Hell, if telepathy were real, football Safeties would be drafted based on their ability to read the Quarterback's play before he calls it. Baseball coaches would be hired based on their ability to divine the next pitch and tip off the batter before it's thrown. If telepathy were real, there would be a whole sports industry for games of skill based on the competitor's mind-reading and mind-shielding ability. Chess would be a different game. Tennis would be a different game.
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Look, I am a grad student. This is an internet message board. I could care less about full citations and holding your hand through the intertubes.

What you are discussing is intuition...and ABSOLUTELY, some athletes can "read" setups better than others. The best athletes seem to "predict" better than others.
 
dlorde said:
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It also occurs to me that if such a remote sensing capability had evolved between prey and predator, the resulting evolutionary 'arms race' would have made it outstandingly obvious.

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These abilities are both limited and unknowable. Proving something unseen exists is a matter of measuring its effect on something.

If you can't see it, you don't KNOW that is the thing doing the acting.

Things get passed on if they are sexually successful. So you have to survive AND mate, for your genes to continue. Maybe being too sensitive to other people's thoughts makes you LESS likely to breed?

You made all kinds of conclusions I don't care to address, but I'll just say- " "

*Did you receive that?*

First test.
 
King of the Americas said:
These abilities are both limited and unknowable.
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Contradictory. If they are unknowable, how do you know they are limited? OTOH, if you know they are limited, then they cannot be unknowable by definition.

King of the Americas said:
Proving something unseen exists is a matter of measuring its effect on something.
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What are you waiting for?

King of the Americas said:
If you can't see it, you don't KNOW that is the thing doing the acting.
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Therefore gravity does not exist?

King of the Americas said:
Things get passed on if they are sexually successful. So you have to survive AND mate, for your genes to continue. Maybe being too sensitive to other people's thoughts makes you LESS likely to breed?
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Then evolution would have eliminated it by now.

King of the Americas said:
You made all kinds of conclusions I don't care to address, but I'll just say- " "

*Did you receive that?*

First test.
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Huh?
 
Sideroxylon said:
View some videos of bowhunters nailing oblivious pigs from close range. Without cues of sight, sound and most importantly scent there is no awareness.
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Not all animals have or have developed these abilities.

People get killed by bullets, arrows, bombs, and impacts of all sorts. Sometimes though...people stop and avoid it.

The hair on your neck creeps up, and there is a sense of heightened awareness...and the outcome is at your hand.

As a cornerback, I could tell when the play was coming my way. Maybe that was me reading how most of the line was positioning their feet, or which direction everyone was looking, but I knew. If I was certain I'd call, "strong side lean," then left or right. Never did it often, but I was never wrong.
 
arthwollipot said:
theprestige and I have disagreed on a lot of things in the past, but in this case I think he's spot-on. If telepathy is real, why aren't you a billionaire by now?

I predict the "oh, I could be, but..." response.
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Because it isn't reliable, predictable, or consistent in any way.

Practicing is a form of manipulation and people who are the best at it, don't want to draw attention to themselves.

How would one use telepathy to make money, besides working as a magician?
 
I would like to know how many wrong it takes before I can say definitively that telepathy doesn't exist. I fear there is no such number at all - that is, no result will allow me to dismiss telepathy outright and forever.

Which, in turn, makes me fear I'm buying an Ikea couch-box's worth of wasting my time. On the upside, what is time for if not the interesting wasting thereof?
 
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