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Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice

trustbutverify said:
Hopefully, it was a revenge pull-down by some neo-confederate fascists. Any other scenario is too cringe-worthy to contemplate.
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Presumably, or some variation thereof. I can only assume it was some variation of "Oh yeah? You took down our guy? Well we'll take down yours! So There!"

Quite predictable.
 
Mike! said:
I also said it "seems like", not, "is'.
Perception and all that nonsense, you know.
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But shouldn't we be more interested in the facts rather than the "perception"? Perception often seems to be based more on a person's' own bias than the facts.
 
Darat said:
But shouldn't we be more interested in the facts rather than the "perception"? Perception often seems to be based more on a person's' own bias than the facts.
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Listen everyone getting their own personal reality they get to live in is very important. We will not get to a post-facts world without it.
 
Mike! said:
Maybe if you'd put as much thought into it as you did your Olympic grade conclusion jumping, you'd have seen it.
Let's start by leaving the "religious" aspect out of it and simply concentrate on the extremest destructive nature instead.
One doesn't require a religious motivation to be an extremest, you know.
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Yep as outrageous as those soldiers pulling down statues of Saddam. They should all have been thrown in prison for cultural destruction, it was truly outrageous that this kind of destruction of statuary was supported by anyone. That just shows that the taliban and the US army are really the same.
 
Meadmaker said:
What's at play here is a very common phenomenon. Some people want to stay exclusively focused on one thing, in this case statues of Confederate generals or other monuments to the Confederacy.

Others, including me, see pulling down statues without going through legal channels as something that can easily get out of hand, and as such is a bad idea. I looked at the mob that tore down Edward Colston, which I believe was actually the first statue to go down in this wave, and I didn't see a group of oppressed people finally pulling down a symbol of their oppression. I thought, "This will get ugly." and it did.

I can understand wanting to pull down a statue of Jefferson Davis, and I can even understand wanting to do so when the elected officials refuse to do it. It all makes sense. However, it was not hard to see the results that would follow. If you really want to support the mob action against Confederate statues, own all of it. And don't forget that an elk statue is not just a statue of an elk.
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Why did we let the military pull down Saddams statues and if they wanted them moved we could have put them up on our own streets? Seems natural for such great works of art.
 
johnny karate said:
I’ll step forward and volunteer to “own all of it”.

In general, I don’t care all that much about statues and vandalism.

In the current state of the world, I laugh in the face of all the hand-wringers and concern trolls who pretend this is a problem of any significance.

So now that I’ve “owned all it”, what horrible and inevitable consequence have I failed to foresee?
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Pope Pious comes along and either chops off or puts fig leaves over all of the penises in art in the vatican.
 
Darat said:
Why does it have to make sense to and be approved by you?
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Because if there's not a reasonable resonant argument for it, then it's just vandalism and lawlessness. It's destruction of property for no justifiable reason.

It needs to have a reason that is at least moderately understandable by most people for it to be acceptable.
 
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