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Super Interesting Ian,
Sometimes you are very funny.
(This is intended as humor, not an attack and certainly not a serious discussion)
Does that make these lines small knowledge?Whodini said:
Yeah, I generally need to take a leak when I get up.
We aren't back to that heart=center of emotion stuff again, are we? Doesn't anyone else find that silly? Or maybe it's just a comment on high blood pressure...
And they won't stop and ask for directions, either!
sounds like worms
Sounds like a REALLY BIG worm.
Um, ◊◊◊◊ happens?
I seem to recall a lot of treaties that have been reneged upon...
You ever had to rake those leaves? Feeble my ass!
they musta just gotten up.
Well, you could try that Waterworld trick...
mmm... bondage...
old drain pipes get emotional, do they?
If your mind is seeing light perhaps you should put your skull back on.
singing these are a few of my favorite things
Flutes sprout? Day and night sprout? Methinks the metaphors are sufficiently mixed, chef.
Is this about morning wood?
DOWN WITH THE REPRESSIVE PRONOUNS!
That flutist would be out of work. (flautist?)
But there you are
Can we read entrails? Tea leaves?
That's the thing that keeps me from driving over 133, right?
Well, my Focus doesn't have that much power, but I believe it.
AHH! Invisible IRS Auditors!
Tom Cruise?
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Since all are every so nicely unfalsifiable and yet contradictory, which interpretations would you like? The answers are all inside, they are all outside; the tao is everything, the tao is nothing, or the tao is everything, or the tao is some things but not others; the sage does not discriminate, the sage does discriminate; you have the tao, you don't have the tao, the trying is not the tao, doing is the tao; I'm sure there are lots more, and going verse by verse can give you all kinds of possible answers to a myriad of questions.
*ahem* But now that I look at it, I answered a bit of a different question than asked, so considering the rest of what I said:
That is to say, the things spoken of are so complicated and contradictory that by the time you can sort them out there is little point remaining in sorting them out at all.
And as in the above, what they are supposed to mean is contradictory, with no apparent way to reconcile them or make them into anything more than amorphous cloud. Could be one thing, could be another...could be something else entirely.
And keep it a poem? Hell no, I think its fine art. It is when it is considered something other than fine art and poetry that is the problem
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Since all are every so nicely unfalsifiable and yet contradictory, which interpretations would you like? The answers are all inside, they are all outside; the tao is everything, the tao is nothing, or the tao is everything, or the tao is some things but not others; the sage does not discriminate, the sage does discriminate; you have the tao, you don't have the tao, the trying is not the tao, doing is the tao; I'm sure there are lots more, and going verse by verse can give you all kinds of possible answers to a myriad of questions.
*ahem* But now that I look at it, I answered a bit of a different question than asked, so considering the rest of what I said:
That is to say, the things spoken of are so complicated and contradictory that by the time you can sort them out there is little point remaining in sorting them out at all.
And as in the above, what they are supposed to mean is contradictory, with no apparent way to reconcile them or make them into anything more than amorphous cloud. Could be one thing, could be another...could be something else entirely.
And keep it a poem? Hell no, I think its fine art. It is when it is considered something other than fine art and poetry that is the problem
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Plutarck,
If something is useful in life, then keep it.
Just because something can be interpreted in many ways isn't a weakness, it is a strength. Also, contradictions are a good way to learn.
(Uh oh, Valmorian alert! Aaaoooooggaaaa!)
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you have the tao, you don't have the tao,
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You have many tao's, but not the Tao.
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It is when it is considered something other than fine art and poetry that is the problem
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So what is the problem exactly?
Plutarck,
If something is useful in life, then keep it.
Just because something can be interpreted in many ways isn't a weakness, it is a strength. Also, contradictions are a good way to learn.
(Uh oh, Valmorian alert! Aaaoooooggaaaa!)
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you have the tao, you don't have the tao,
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You have many tao's, but not the Tao.
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It is when it is considered something other than fine art and poetry that is the problem
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So what is the problem exactly?
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I have 4 tacos in my fridge.
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Keep sharpening your knife and it becomes blunt.
What will happen to your skepticism?
What will happen to your skepticism?
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Some interesting Taoism links:
http://www.panlatrevo.com/tao/taospeaks/
http://www.thebigview.com/tao-te-ching/
http://www.panlatrevo.com/tao/taospeaks/
http://www.thebigview.com/tao-te-ching/
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Sharpen a pencil for a while. It disappears.
Well, if I keep licking at an ice cream cone it disappears too. If I burn a stick enough it vanishes. If I fart in a whirlwind, it also vanishes.
What any of this has to do with sharpening a knife making it dull is beyond me. As a stretch you could argue it would make it nonexistant, but since it would break before you got that far it's kind of irrelevant.
I mean, really. Haven't you ever seen an old knife that was sharpened a lot over time? They get thinner and thinner but they don't get dull, really. Eventually they'll break, but I wouldn't refer to a broken knife as "dull."
Why am I arguing this? It's even more pointless than most stuff in this forum!
What any of this has to do with sharpening a knife making it dull is beyond me. As a stretch you could argue it would make it nonexistant, but since it would break before you got that far it's kind of irrelevant.
I mean, really. Haven't you ever seen an old knife that was sharpened a lot over time? They get thinner and thinner but they don't get dull, really. Eventually they'll break, but I wouldn't refer to a broken knife as "dull."
Why am I arguing this? It's even more pointless than most stuff in this forum!
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What any of this has to do with sharpening a knife making it dull is beyond me.
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Don't be SO literal for Pete's sake.
(why is Pete drinking anyway?)
Basically, if you keep doing something 'yang', 'yin' will manifest.
What any of this has to do with sharpening a knife making it dull is beyond me.
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Don't be SO literal for Pete's sake.
(why is Pete drinking anyway?)
Basically, if you keep doing something 'yang', 'yin' will manifest.
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What any of this has to do with sharpening a knife making it dull is beyond me.
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Don't be SO literal for Pete's sake.
(why is Pete drinking anyway?)
Basically, if you keep doing something 'yang', 'yin' will manifest.
So, maybe dullness isn't the "yin" to knife sharpening's "yang"?
Forgive my utter ignorance of Eastern philosophy, but are these like Zen Koans? My impression was that Koans didn't necessarily reflect a particular wisdom, only that they were to be contemplated.
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Hi specious_reasons,
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So, maybe dullness isn't the "yin" to knife sharpening's "yang"?
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Could be.
The idea is that something has two main aspects. At the extreme of one aspect, you are suddenly made aware of the other aspect.
The specifics aren't important, just the main idea.
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Forgive my utter ignorance of Eastern philosophy, but are these like Zen Koans? My impression was that Koans didn't necessarily reflect a particular wisdom, only that they were to be contemplated.
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Koan's are a little different. What I offered above was just an example of a specific situation. A koan is more of a riddle to be comtemplated, like you said. The contemplation only works by non-rational methods due to the phrasing of the questions.
A fascinating resource is:
http://www.ciolek.com/WWWVLPages/ZenPages/KoanStudy.html
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So, maybe dullness isn't the "yin" to knife sharpening's "yang"?
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Could be.
The idea is that something has two main aspects. At the extreme of one aspect, you are suddenly made aware of the other aspect.
The specifics aren't important, just the main idea.
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Forgive my utter ignorance of Eastern philosophy, but are these like Zen Koans? My impression was that Koans didn't necessarily reflect a particular wisdom, only that they were to be contemplated.
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Koan's are a little different. What I offered above was just an example of a specific situation. A koan is more of a riddle to be comtemplated, like you said. The contemplation only works by non-rational methods due to the phrasing of the questions.
A fascinating resource is:
http://www.ciolek.com/WWWVLPages/ZenPages/KoanStudy.html
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Interesting, how do you know you've gone too far Yin or Yang if you're not entirely sure what they are?
...Or do you just suck it up when the consequences hit?
I had a limited exposure to Zen and Koans from the book Gödel, Escher, Bach, and thought that they were interesting, but put it on the "maybe I'll get to it someday" list.
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specious_reasons,
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Interesting, how do you know you've gone too far Yin or Yang if you're not entirely sure what they are?
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They are just concepts; an artist's organizing vision.
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I had a limited exposure to Zen and Koans from the book Gödel, Escher, Bach, and thought that they were interesting, but put it on the "maybe I'll get to it someday" list.
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The author of that book, Doug H., is a real cool guy. I hope to be 1/50th as intelligent as he is when I grow up.
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Interesting, how do you know you've gone too far Yin or Yang if you're not entirely sure what they are?
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They are just concepts; an artist's organizing vision.
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I had a limited exposure to Zen and Koans from the book Gödel, Escher, Bach, and thought that they were interesting, but put it on the "maybe I'll get to it someday" list.
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The author of that book, Doug H., is a real cool guy. I hope to be 1/50th as intelligent as he is when I grow up.
I just like my metaphors symmetrical. (and it's very entertaining to actually take what people say literally... people rarely think about commonly used phrases and what they're really saying)Whodini said:
Well, Pete and Repete were walking down the street...(why is Pete drinking anyway?)