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Surface debacle

Microsoft will have to produce something that is different from what is on the market. Something that a lot of people want, but currently do not know it. Either that or stick to PCs.
 
The days of the consumer PC are over. People are happy with Tablets and smartphones. The high end tech savvy person and enterprising hobbyist will still want a PC, there aren't that many people like that out there. Most corporate PCs act as terminal servers for a mainframe application, as well as an email reader.
 
I do not think the days of the PCs are over. It is just that people do not need to upgrade so often. Maybe only when the PC wears out, instead of when it was not good enough. Worse, there are not many sales of PCs to people who have never owned one before. In other words the market is mature.
 
rjh01 said:
Microsoft will have to produce something that is different from what is on the market. Something that a lot of people want, but currently do not know it. Either that or stick to PCs.
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So.... A solution in search of a problem ?

Or maybe, alternatively, people using PC for productivity, quite clearly know what they want, and are pissed that microsoft not only do not deliver it, but also make their work more difficult out of the financial wish to get a walled garden like apple. We are not blind you know : what MS want is not to make the OS user happy, but MS stockholder happy.
 
a_unique_person said:
The days of the consumer PC are over. People are happy with Tablets and smartphones. The high end tech savvy person and enterprising hobbyist will still want a PC, there aren't that many people like that out there. Most corporate PCs act as terminal servers for a mainframe application, as well as an email reader.
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That's doubtful out of a number of point. The same was said with netbook and it turned to be a fad.

As for your "most corporate PC act as terminal for a mainframe application" in my experience is a partial truth only. In my experience very few job require only 1 application to work on. We may go back to the day of the dumb terminal using the cloud, but having seen attempt to put again the dumb terminal in enterprise more than once, I would like to wait for a few years to see if the trend hold.

I would like to see long trend over a few years , say 5, to see if that turns true.
 
a_unique_person said:
The days of the consumer PC are over. People are happy with Tablets and smartphones. The high end tech savvy person and enterprising hobbyist will still want a PC, there aren't that many people like that out there. Most corporate PCs act as terminal servers for a mainframe application, as well as an email reader.
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Really? We have Samsung Galaxy smartphones and a Galaxy Tablet 10.2

The smartphones we use as a mobile phones and sometimes to make a post to a forum using tapatalk, or for its GPS location/navigation capabilities.

The Tablet we use almost exclusively when my daughter and her family visit, to keep the three year old grand-daughter amused with My Little Pony videos so that she keeps her little mitts off the satellite TV remote..

When we want to do some REAL work with a computer we use the Desktop computer in the study.... WHY?

1. Try managing the family photo album and/or printing photos on your smartphone/tablet.

2. Try burning a DVD or Blu-Ray disk on your smartphone/tablet.

3. Try typing a four page letter to ageing members of your family (who don't have email or computers) and printing it out using your smartphone/tablet.

4. Try updating/amending your business website using your smartphone/tablet.

5. Try scanning a document or photo on your smartphone/tablet.

6. Try plugging a USB stick into your smartphone/tablet.

7. Try playing a movie DVD on your smartphone/tablet

I, for one, am NOT happy with our smartphone or our tablet. The only reason I have a smartphone is that I need it for work, and if the Tablet ever bombs out, we wont be replacing it.
 
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Well, I hope Microsoft bombs and quick. Due to a change at work I am switching from the Mac environment to Windows and boy does it suck.
 
anglolawyer said:
Well, I hope Microsoft bombs and quick. Due to a change at work I am switching from the Mac environment to Windows and boy does it suck.
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I have done the reverse. The change is frustrating as I do not know how to do the basic stuff. I mean moving (not just copy) files from one folder to another is easy on Windows (highlight files, Ctrl x, go to new folder, Ctrl v). However that does not work on an Mac.
 
rjh01 said:
I have done the reverse. The change is frustrating as I do not know how to do the basic stuff. I mean moving (not just copy) files from one folder to another is easy on Windows (highlight files, Ctrl x, go to new folder, Ctrl v). However that does not work on an Mac.
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Just drag and drop, but there are other ways too. If you pick up a file (click and hold) and move it over the folder you want to move it to either simply let go or hold it, when the folder will open. You can then hold it over a sub-folder and that will open too. It's called 'drilling down' I think.
 
anglolawyer said:
Just drag and drop, but there are other ways too. If you pick up a file (click and hold) and move it over the folder you want to move it to either simply let go or hold it, when the folder will open. You can then hold it over a sub-folder and that will open too. It's called 'drilling down' I think.
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Those are not very good ways. Using keys is the best method. Dragging and dropping in Windows I am never sure if it will copy or move.
 
anglolawyer said:
Just drag and drop, but there are other ways too. If you pick up a file (click and hold) and move it over the folder you want to move it to either simply let go or hold it, when the folder will open. You can then hold it over a sub-folder and that will open too. It's called 'drilling down' I think.
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When you drag'n'drop, the Mac OS X Finder will move while you drag'n'drop on the same disk, and copy when you drag'n'drop to a different disk. You can change it by holding down the Alt/Option key while dragging -- you'll get a green plus sign underneath/near the file icon/mouse-cursor when you copy.

The "Cut" option, while present but grayed out in the "Edit" menu of the finder, was never implemented on the Mac. I think mostly because it was not possible to work out a consequent workflow (Cut meaning the object in question is literally cut from its original position. When now another object is put onto the clipboard, the original object is lost. But it doesn't make sense that someone would use it this way intentionally with files. So you would have to change how the clipboard works specifically for file operations, so that the first file is put back to its original place, which clearly doesn't happen with other objects like text blocks.)
 
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rjh01 said:
Those are not very good ways. Using keys is the best method. Dragging and dropping in Windows I am never sure if it will copy or move.
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Says you. I very much prefer drag'n'drop over cutting and pasting to and from the clipboard limbo.
 
SezMe said:
And? That is exactly what a for-profit corporation is supposed to do.
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The problem is that Microsoft so consequently ignored the wishes of the user of its products that it makes products no one wishes to use anymore.
 
smartcooky said:
The Tablet we use almost exclusively when my daughter and her family visit, to keep the three year old grand-daughter amused with My Little Pony videos so that she keeps her little mitts off the satellite TV remote.
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Please don't do that. Kids get too much TV/computer exposure already. Get some Legos or dolls or costumes or SOMETHING other than a screen.
 
If they had just released the Surface Pro first, and there was never such a device as the Surface RT, then this entire disaster could have been averted.
 
elgarak said:
Says you. I very much prefer drag'n'drop over cutting and pasting to and from the clipboard limbo.
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Just watch out for RSI. See tip 3 in this link http://www.rsiprevention.com/rsi_prevention.php

Many people develop RSI in their mouse hand. Dorsiflexion is often to blame. A gel wrist pad (such as that produced by Fellowes) or a MouseBean may help you to keep your wrist in a better position while using the mouse. You should try to keep your wrist in a neutral position, just as when using the keyboard.

You may be able to cut down on your mouse usage by using keyboard shortcuts instead. Our free booklet The Reluctant Mouser: A Guide to Windows Keyboard Shortcuts may help you eliminate a lot of mouse usage.
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Or read this http://web.eecs.umich.edu/~cscott/rsi.html.
 
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