Striptease ban in Iceland

Skeptic said:
But pornography DOES exploit women; surely the dreary life of most porn stars is evidence of that?
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I could approach your question in a few different ways:

1. Porn goes way beyond mainstream. There are people who willingly make porn and distribute it on the Internet for free. This doesn't exploit women in any conceivable way.

2. Even if most mainstream porn stars led a dreary life (do they?), I wouldn't be convinced that they were exploited. Unless you think that, say, McDonald's exploits its employees. Porn is a job like any other. Many people don't actually enjoy what they do for a living, but they do it anyway.

3. If you could actually convince me that porn is exploitation, why would it be exploitation of women?

I'm all for regulations against the exploitation of employees. I'd be willing to grant that the porn industry might not always be a healthy environment, emotionally speaking. But the problem isn't having sex in front of a camera. The problem would be coercing actors and actresses to do more than they are comfortable with, etc. But that's not inherent to the porn industry, nor to porn itself.
 
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Rairun said:
I could approach your question in a few different ways:

1. Porn goes way beyond mainstream. There are people who willingly make porn and distribute it on the Internet for free. This doesn't exploit women in any conceivable way.

2. Even if most mainstream porn stars led a dreary life (do they?), I wouldn't be convinced that they were exploited. Unless you think that, say, McDonald's exploits its employees. Porn is a job like any other. Many people don't actually enjoy what they do for a living, but they do it anyway.

3. If you could actually convince me that porn is exploitation, why would it be exploitation of women?

I'm all for regulations against the exploitation of employees. I'd be willing to grant that the porn industry might not always be a healthy environment, emotionally speaking. But the problem isn't having sex in front of a camera. The problem would be coercing actors and actresses to do more than they are comfortable with, etc. But that's not inherent to the porn industry, nor to porn itself.
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Unless several people on this forum are lying and a number of other people who have claimed otherwise on their own have all been lying the dreary life thing applies exactly as much to porn as it does to pretty much any occupation.
 
barium said:
It's illegal to produce pornography in Iceland, so this legislation more or less closes a loophole that allows strip clubs to operate.

In a wellfare state, there is a big incentive for the government to discourage working as a stripper, namely that you can't really build a lifelong career out of it and will probably end up as a drain on the social security system once you get too old to strip.
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But, they are just paying for grad school. Right?
 
Cainkane1 said:
Here in Atlanta Ga nude bars allow women to strip completely nude. many of these young attractive women are working their way through college or trade school. I'm sure many of the stripper women were doing the same thing in Iceland. Why deny these ladies this income? I only feel a woman is being abused if the sexual nature of their activity is done for free.
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I would also question the propriety of outlawing a legitimate profession simply because it may be a drag on the welfare state later on.

Just who's the boss over there, the government or the people?
 
barium said:
It's illegal to produce pornography in Iceland, so this legislation more or less closes a loophole that allows strip clubs to operate.

In a wellfare state, there is a big incentive for the government to discourage working as a stripper, namely that you can't really build a lifelong career out of it and will probably end up as a drain on the social security system once you get too old to strip.
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Beerina said:
I would also question the propriety of outlawing a legitimate profession simply because it may be a drag on the welfare state later on.

Just who's the boss over there, the government or the people?
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I have to agree with Beerina on this one. Seriously, how often do you get agreement from a Social Democrat Beerina? I doubt the future possible drag on the welfare state is at issue here. If it is actually mentioned in the passing of the restrictions then it is likely inconsistent. There are plenty of professions that have little later life reliability, and certinaly plenty of professions that produce mostly drags and few successful agents. Though I could be wrong. Maybe Iceland bans all forms of modeling and even competitive sports!

Nosi said:
What do people...watch in the middle of the night when they want to add spice to the...usual?
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It is an insidious lefitst culture. They likely swing :p
 
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I guess I'll have to leave Iceland off the voyage schedule when I go raiding. No fun raiding a place where you can't act like a viking anymore.

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Ironically enough, I have just come home from a variety show that included burlesque performers. They stripped to not too much!

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DC said:
are commercials with naked ladys also banned?
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In otherwords, pass striptease as something other:D And the paycheck has something else written on it. The banker's trick.
 
Ikarus said:
Trololo

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Cainkane1 said:
Here in Atlanta Ga nude bars allow women to strip completely nude. many of these young attractive women are working their way through college or trade school. I'm sure many of the stripper women were doing the same thing in Iceland. Why deny these ladies this income? I only feel a woman is being abused if the sexual nature of their activity is done for free.
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As said before, you don't have to work through college unless you want a higher standard of living than your peers. Also, never underestimate the social stigma of being "a stripper" in a pretty small town (Reykjavik got like 120k people or somesuch). Most in the nordic countries are pretty open about having sex, but not so much about making money from it.
ponderingturtle said:
Do you have any evidence that they are less successful than they might have been long term if they didn't strip? How many people become strippers instead of getting some other kind of career, and how many do it instead of just one more job?
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No, I don't. All I have is anecdotal evidence from people I've met as a musician, but they might not be representative of strippers as a whole.
Beerina said:
I would also question the propriety of outlawing a legitimate profession simply because it may be a drag on the welfare state later on.

Just who's the boss over there, the government or the people?
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The govenment have the right to ban practices which they find harmful. I don't personally see a problem with having animals fight for entertainment (I don't care much for animal wellfare), but I still understand why it's banned.

Labour regulations in most western countries makes scrapping ships for metal here impossible, so the jobs are lost to countries where the government don't care about the people. Is that a good thing? I think so.

I have to say I don't agree with the Icelandic decision of banning porn, but this tightening of the rules to ban striptease is quite logical in light of the porn ban.
 
barium said:
No, I don't. All I have is anecdotal evidence from people I've met as a musician, but they might not be representative of strippers as a whole.
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There is also a correlation does not equal causation issue here. They might never have been successful with out regard to them stripping, so being unsuccessful does not show that stripping hurt their long term success.
 
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