Striptease ban in Iceland

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In a break with liberal European practice, Iceland has voted to ban striptease shows, making it an offense for any business to profit from the nudity of its employees.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36020041/ns/world_news-europe/

Companies world wide, and I'm sure in Iceland, profit from the (voluntary) strength of their employees, or their intelligence, or their art, or whatever. Can anyone come up with a rationale for a company being banned for profiting from the voluntary nudity of their employees?
 
lionking said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36020041/ns/world_news-europe/

Companies world wide, and I'm sure in Iceland, profit from the (voluntary) strength of their employees, or their intelligence, or their art, or whatever. Can anyone come up with a rationale for a company being banned for profiting from the voluntary nudity of their employees?
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Does this affect all of the non-profit strippers? You know like, St Vincent De Pole?
 
lionking said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36020041/ns/world_news-europe/

Companies world wide, and I'm sure in Iceland, profit from the (voluntary) strength of their employees, or their intelligence, or their art, or whatever. Can anyone come up with a rationale for a company being banned for profiting from the voluntary nudity of their employees?
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It's illegal to produce pornography in Iceland, so this legislation more or less closes a loophole that allows strip clubs to operate.

In a wellfare state, there is a big incentive for the government to discourage working as a stripper, namely that you can't really build a lifelong career out of it and will probably end up as a drain on the social security system once you get too old to strip.
 
Arcade22 said:
Because feminists hate men and this is a way to attack men.
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I assume you're being facetious, but Iceland does seem to breed an insidious leftist, feminism-gone-wrong mentality. As a feminist leftist, I really try to distance myself from the sort of ideology that bans porn because it allegedly exploits women.

ETA: Obviously, I'm not saying all leftist and feminist Icelanders think like that. But I was appalled to learn a few months ago that they've banned porn, and that they had the support of organizations that fight against domestic abuse (as if those two things were related at all).
 
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Rairun said:
I assume you're being facetious, but Iceland does seem to breed an insidious leftist, feminism-gone-wrong mentality. As a feminist leftist, I really try to distance myself from the sort of ideology that bans porn because it allegedly exploits women.

ETA: Obviously, I'm not saying all leftist and feminist Icelanders think like that. But I was appalled to learn a few months ago that they've banned porn, and that they had the support of organizations that fight against domestic abuse (as if those two things were related at all).
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Wow. I had no idea! So I take it the argument is not that porn is immoral because it is sexual, but because it leads to exploitation of women?
 
Rairun said:
I assume you're being facetious, but Iceland does seem to breed an insidious leftist, feminism-gone-wrong mentality. As a feminist leftist, I really try to distance myself from the sort of ideology that bans porn because it allegedly exploits women.
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The whole of Scandinavia breed these kind of sickos. Genus 'scientists', 'pornography and prostitution is men exploiting women!!1!', affirmative action supporters and the people who will stop at nothing until men and women are 100% alike in every way and all sexual differences have been abolished.

And they are not a large group, but they gain their political power from the fact that 'feminism' is something 'nice' even though it is some of mix between Marxism and feminism and not the kind of feminism that most people are used too.
 
Schrodinger's Cat said:
Wow. I had no idea! So I take it the argument is not that porn is immoral because it is sexual, but because it leads to exploitation of women?
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Yeah, I think so. I'm not actually sure why porn was originally banned, but when they successfully stopped an adult film industry conference from taking place there, they expressed opinions like this:

“We are very satisfied with this result,” Gudrún Jónsdóttir, spokesperson for Stígamót (the Icelandic Counseling and Information Center for Survivors of Sexual Violence) told Morgunbladid.

Katrín Anna Gudmundsdóttir, spokesperson for the Feminist Movement in Iceland, said: “We feel this is a great victory for the liberation of the sexes and it is very good to see the nation unite in rejecting pornography.”

http://icelandreview.com/icelandreview/search/news/Default.asp?ew_0_a_id=265485
 
Rairun said:
Yeah, I think so. I'm not actually sure why porn was originally banned, but when they successfully stopped an adult film industry conference from taking place there, they expressed opinions like this:

“We are very satisfied with this result,” Gudrún Jónsdóttir, spokesperson for Stígamót (the Icelandic Counseling and Information Center for Survivors of Sexual Violence) told Morgunbladid.

Katrín Anna Gudmundsdóttir, spokesperson for the Feminist Movement in Iceland, said: “We feel this is a great victory for the liberation of the sexes and it is very good to see the nation unite in rejecting pornography.”

http://icelandreview.com/icelandreview/search/news/Default.asp?ew_0_a_id=265485
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Gotta love when governments mandate personal behavior and call it liberation.
 
Rairun said:
I assume you're being facetious, but Iceland does seem to breed an insidious leftist, feminism-gone-wrong mentality. As a feminist leftist, I really try to distance myself from the sort of ideology that bans porn because it allegedly exploits women.

ETA: Obviously, I'm not saying all leftist and feminist Icelanders think like that. But I was appalled to learn a few months ago that they've banned porn, and that they had the support of organizations that fight against domestic abuse (as if those two things were related at all).
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Maybe they meant domestic self-abuse.
 
barium said:
It's illegal to produce pornography in Iceland, so this legislation more or less closes a loophole that allows strip clubs to operate.

In a wellfare state, there is a big incentive for the government to discourage working as a stripper, namely that you can't really build a lifelong career out of it and will probably end up as a drain on the social security system once you get too old to strip.
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Here in Atlanta Ga nude bars allow women to strip completely nude. many of these young attractive women are working their way through college or trade school. I'm sure many of the stripper women were doing the same thing in Iceland. Why deny these ladies this income? I only feel a woman is being abused if the sexual nature of their activity is done for free.
 
barium said:
It's illegal to produce pornography in Iceland, so this legislation more or less closes a loophole that allows strip clubs to operate.

In a wellfare state, there is a big incentive for the government to discourage working as a stripper, namely that you can't really build a lifelong career out of it and will probably end up as a drain on the social security system once you get too old to strip.
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Do you have any evidence that they are less successful than they might have been long term if they didn't strip? How many people become strippers instead of getting some other kind of career, and how many do it instead of just one more job?
 
Cainkane1 said:
Here in Atlanta Ga nude bars allow women to strip completely nude. many of these young attractive women are working their way through college or trade school. I'm sure many of the stripper women were doing the same thing in Iceland.
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Actually, I suspect that's not the case on Iceland. Although I don't know the details of Iceland's educational system, I'd assume them to have cheap educational loans and low or no tuiton fees, similar to the other Nordic countries.
 
Rairun said:
I assume you're being facetious,
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Sadly, this poster is probably serious.

but Iceland does seem to breed an insidious leftist, feminism-gone-wrong mentality. As a feminist leftist, I really try to distance myself from the sort of ideology that bans porn because it allegedly exploits women.
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But pornography DOES exploit women; surely the dreary life of most porn stars is evidence of that?
 
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