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StopSylvia email: "Needs Jesus"

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Here is a brief correspondence between myself and a woman who contacted me on StopSylvia.com via email.

It started with an email with the subject of "Needs Jesus":

That's it. She needs to "READ" the Bible. Psychic power ie demonic. How dare she say it's a gift from God.

My reply:

[NAME]:

First, she needs to show that she actually HAS such powers before we worry about their source.

As for biblical warnings about mediums, she says, of ANYTHING in scripture with which she disagrees, that it has been mistranslated, etc.

Have you read the article on my site which compares her religion (Novus Spirits) with mainstream Christianity?

Although she calls her religion "Gnostic Christian", it is neither. She states that Jesus' death on the cross was faked, a conspiracy between Jesus, Judas, and Pontius Pilate. She also says that Jesus married Mary Magdalene, they had many children together, and both lived into their 80 and 90s. Very DaVinci Code-esque.

Best regards,

Robert S. Lancaster

Founde and webmastr,
www.StopSylvia.com

She replied:

Yes. Reminds me of what my late Grandmother-in-Law used to tell me about her husband...
If he didn't like what a scripture said, he tore that page out.
I haven't read your article, yet.
Would probably make me angry or totally in awe though.
I have Never thought of going to a "psychic." I try to stay away from Satan's works.
God Bless You! :-)
Sent from my Kindle Fire

My reply:

Here is the article, "Sylvia Browne and Christianity":
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/browneandchristianity.shtml

Best,

Robert S. Lancaster
Founder and webmaster,
www.StopSylvia.com

In the article, the author (me) states that he is Agnostic.

Her reply:

Who is agnostic?? You?

From me, sent Sunday morning:

Yes, me.

But I am writing this right after returning from church today, so I'm probably not your typical Agnostic. That's what our Pastor says, anyway.

-Robert

She replied:

Well then, may Jesus fill your heart with His love for you. :-)
Sent from my Kindle Fire

Back from me:

Thanks. While we're on the subject: my wife (a Baptist) and I are currently on Day 36 of a study program tited

"The Bible in 90 Days (cover-to-cover in twelve pages each day)"

We just started the book of Job.

I must admit that it gives me a smile each time I read it (The Bible) criticizing the consulting of mediums.

Robert

And, finally (so far), from her:

Ahh, ahh, ahh...
Thou shouldn't judge. Haha. :-)
Tell your wife God Bless her too. :-)

Sent from my Kindle Fire

A pleasant little correspondence. Nothing earth-shattering, I just thought I would share it with you.
 
Nice one!

A bit off topic I know Robert, but why do you go to church as an agnostic? Anything to do with your wife's influence at work here?
 
Nice one!

A bit off topic I know Robert, but why do you go to church as an agnostic? Anything to do with your wife's influence at work here?

I have told this story a few times on the forum, but am happy to do so again:

Susan is a Baptist. I am an Agnostic.

Despite this difference, we met, fell deeply in love, and got married.

When we lived in the Los Angeles area, Susan regulary attended a First Baptist church there.

Although she asked me many times to attend church with her, I almost always declined, only atteding with her on special occasions, such as her baptism, and when her church's choir (of which she was a member) gave a concert.

Her "church family" meant an awful lot to her, and were very supportive of her, especially when I was hospitalized after my stroke.

When we moved up here to Salem, Oregon after I was discharged back home from the hospital, I could tell that she greaty missed her "church family", and urged her to find one here.

She did a little "church shopping", but none of the local churches she visited felt like "home" to her as the one back in California had, from her very first visit there.

She finally gave up her hunt for a church here, in part because she felt badly about leaving me alone for a few hours each Sunday. (I was even less mobile then than I am now, and she worried what I would do if there were some household emergency while she was at church for those hours).

A few weeks after she abandoned her search, I was putting together a schedule of the things I did daily and weekly (meals, meds, exercises, doctor and therapist visits, etc).

When I showed Susan the schedule, she was quite surprised to read, under Sundays, "attend church with Susan".

She asked "why?", and I told her that there were several reasons, including:

1. I knew how much strength and comfort she had derived from her "church family" back in California.

2. I felt very badly that I was one of the main reasons she had not been able to find one locally.

3. Attending a church together would be a good way for us to finally make friends and develop a social life - something we had yet to do here.

4. If the church had a decent choir, I could join it and start working on recovering my singing voice, lost to the stroke.


Susan said that she appreciated the thought, but was afraid it would not work, saying "You will just be a Smart Alec during the sermons".

(well, let's pretend that she said "Alec", anyway...)

I assured her that I would Be A Good Boy, and she hesitantly agreed to resume looking.

She picked out a church online, and we attended there the very next Sunday.

Susan felt "at home" there right away, and nothing there creeped me out - no snake-handling, no rolling in the aisles "spaking in tongues", or anything like that.

And the pastor struck me as an intelligent and reasonable man, perhaps someone who would not be adverse to discussing religion with a non-believer.

That was in June of 2011, and we have attended there every Sunday ever since, missing a couple when ill or out of town (at TAM).

We joined the choir, and my singing voice is - slowly - coming back.

We have made many, many friends there, and have actually develooped a social life.

And I have developed a nice rapport with the pastor, with whom I have had many respectful discussions about faith, and my lack thereof.

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So yes, Susan indeed had something to do with it. :D
 
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I like your story Robert, and thank you for repeating it to me. You have solved several problems with one single thoughtful act, and as a fellow non-believer, I have to admire you for that. I wish you and your wife well.
 
I admire you Robert, your selflessness knows no bounds. I wish the fervent fundies would consider people like you when they proclaim the 'evils' of agnostics/atheists. You truly are an inspiration.


I don't want to come across as a sycophant, I just wanted to leave my thoughts here.
Is there a 'sick-bag' smilie?

ETA: I knew there would be
 
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You're a good man, with a good wife. Going to church won't hurt you, but not going might hurt her.

I suspect a lot of people go to church for the feeling of community. ( There are an awful lot of good people in churches, as well. I am an atheist married to a Baptist )
 
Thanks, all.

I didn't post that because it paints me in a good light, but (mostly) because I think it shows how much I love Susan, and how well we mesh as a couple, despite (or - who knows - maybe because of) our differences.

I have occasionally thought that I should write lyrics to a song [The Skeptic and Believer Should Be Friends[/i], based on Rogers & Hammerstein's The Farmer and The Cowman Should Be Friends from Oklahoma!, with lines such as

The B'liever thinks there is a God
The Skeptic thinks that's pretty odd
but that's no reason why they can't be friends.

... or maybe I shouldn't. :D
 
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Robert, I can truly sympathize with you. I'm agnostic as well and my wife is catholic. We go to church every Sunday and I actually look forward to the family event. I just don't buy the bs...
 
Thanks SF, but I thnk (hope, anyway) that you mean "empathise", as I don't feel the need for sympathy.

My first wife was Catholic. Or was, for the first twenty years or so of our marriage (becoming Wiccan at that point).

I don't remember ever going to church with her, other than for weddings and funerals and the like. But then, I don't recall her seemng to get as much out of it as Susan does her church-going.

Or, maybe I just wasn't old enough then to understand.
 
Hey Robert you still feast on the blood of butterfly's and sacrifice puppy's though right?
On second thought that is a silly question.

Of course you do. ;)
 
I have to admire you, Robert. I don't think I could do it!

Even though very few people around here actually belives in god and all that stuff, the church out here in the small village where I live is still at the center of some traditions, like baptism of babies, marriage and burials. So now and then, every third or fourth year, or so, I'm forced to attend because of events like this occurring somwhere in my extended family.

It's a painful snooze fest. Extremely boring because of the droning on of the priest, and literally painful as... Well, you try sitting on pews made in the 17th century for a few hours :D They're designed to keep you awake by the means of back breaking torture, that's for sure!

Not even if I met the love of my life would I ever even consider going every Sunday for his sake.
 
As the little girl said, when asked what she thought after going to church for the first time: "Well, the music was nice, but the commercial was too long."

Fred
 
I have to admire you, Robert. I don't think I could do it!

Even though very few people around here actually belives in god and all that stuff, the church out here in the small village where I live is still at the center of some traditions, like baptism of babies, marriage and burials. So now and then, every third or fourth year, or so, I'm forced to attend because of events like this occurring somwhere in my extended family.

It's a painful snooze fest. Extremely boring because of the droning on of the priest, and literally painful as... Well, you try sitting on pews made in the 17th century for a few hours :D They're designed to keep you awake by the means of back breaking torture, that's for sure!

Not even if I met the love of my life would I ever even consider going every Sunday for his sake.

Well, the pews in our church are upholstered, so perhaps I'm not as admirable as all that.
 
Do I smell a Master's thesis?

It will be called "How a pain in the butt started the organic Atheism of Scandinavia, while the introduction of upholstery in American churches preserves religion in the USA." ;)
 
you must add "- a/an (CompoundAdjective) (noun)" to that, making it, for example:

"How a pain in the butt started the organic Atheism of Scandinavia, while the introduction of upholstery in American churches preserves religion in the USA - a massively-foreshadowed parastroika."

Much more impressive, guaranteed to raise your grade.
 
you must add "- a/an (CompoundAdjective) (noun)" to that, making it, for example:

"How a pain in the butt started the organic Atheism of Scandinavia, while the introduction of upholstery in American churches preserves religion in the USA - a massively-foreshadowed parastroika."

Much more impressive, guaranteed to raise your grade.

Thanks!! You've saved my future career!! :D
 

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