Squib Timing

[Crungy]

Actually I think that the "squibs" just so happen to be precisely where vents to the outside were located on the mechanical floors. Funny that, eh?

The correct term is "louver". They are used for outdoor air intake, exhaust air, relief air, and combustion air.

These are usually specified by architects, but occasionally it's thrown in mechanical's court. Here are my two favorite manufacturers.

http://www.greenheck.com/products/louvers/
http://www.ruskin.com/louvers/

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Just out of curiousity, what is the velocity of an RDX shaped charge at 100 feet?

i suspect still faster than your "squib"

however, it doesnt really matter, an RDX shaped charge at any velocity isnt goiong to moving large amounts of debris like we see in the "sqibs" (they are designed to focus all the energy of the blast to a single line, so it can cut the steel)

a shaped charge would just break the window, then you would start to see smoke rising lazily out of it, not the sideways jets we see

if it were a traditional explosive in close proximity to the window, we would most liely see several windows blown out at a time

the squibs as observed are not consistant with explosives at all, and claiming they are explosives actually raises more questions than it answers

 

[Skibum]

Actually I think that the "squibs" just so happen to be precisely where vents to the outside were located on the mechanical floors. Funny that, eh?

Pretty much what one would expect when you crush miles of ductwork.

 

[Gravy]

Actually I think that the "squibs" just so happen to be precisely where vents to the outside were located on the mechanical floors. Funny that, eh?

That's true in some cases, especially when we see multiple "squibs" on one floor. It's easy to pick out the mechanical floors. In other cases the "squibs" appear to be coming from individual or side-by-side window openings. The broken/damaged window hypothesis makes sense to me, especially for the "squibs" that were higher on the buildings. As NIST points out, puffs of smoke were ejected from open windows on the north tower when the south was struck. The buildings underwent a great deal of shock, movement, and vibration when the planes hit. After that, a great deal of debris fell from them, which could have impacted windows below.

 

[Belz...]

Gravy, that's far too complex for CTers.

Debris hit the other windows while falling ? You don't see that in movies!

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

so-called 'squibs' jetting out from the windows as the building is collapsing internally looks more like compressed air than demolition charges. But then again, I'm no expert in demolitions like you are, huh troothydude? I could be mistaken.

What is compressing the air if not explosives? The floors are not moving relative to each other.

 

[bob_kark]

What is compressing the air if not explosives? The floors are not moving relative to each other.

The upper floors may be moving together, however the foundation is not moving. Therefore, the compression is being generated from the building collapsing into the foundation.

 

[CurtC]

What is compressing the air if not explosives? The floors are not moving relative to each other.

If the floors above are collapsing, they act as a piston in a hydraulic cylinder, so that the air well ahead of the "piston" is at a higher pressure, causing dust, smoke, or whatever happens to be near a hole, to be swept up and ejected from that hole.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Sorry, this thread is confused between WTC7 and the towers.

Both have squibs, but these are entirely different demolition methods. Let's be specific about which events we are discussing.

 

[Gravy]

Sorry, this thread is confused between WTC7 and the towers.

Both have squibs, but these are entirely different demolition methods. Let's be specific about which events we are discussing.

I'm not aware of squibs being visible in the videos of WTC 7, beyond the claims made about tha already-damaged southwest corner near the roof.

Either way, TS, taking into account what's been explained here, do you agree that air pressure will push smoke and debris out of a collapsing building? If not, please be specific why you don't think so.

 

[boloboffin]

WTC 7 has what some CTers call squibs, Gravy. They are visible puffs of debris coming out of the southwest corner, the one that so many pictures show is heavily damaged.

 

[cloudshipsrule]

TruthSeeker, what are you getting at exactly??

What don't you understand about the following sentence:

Squibs used in controlled demolitions PRECEED the collapse of the building.

In the CT world of magic, the alleged 'squibs' are occurring AS the buildings are collapsing. This is contrary to an actual controlled demolition. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Squibs enable gravity to bring a building down. They are not the fireworks finale planted by the CD crew to celebrate the collapse of the building.

Are you saying you think some revolutionary new form of controlled demolition was used to take down one of the WTC buildings in which the squibs start going off after some other mechanism has already caused the building to collapse (Like an angry fire or a furious plane??)

 

[Alt+F4]

each tower had about 20,000 windows. What are the odds that all 20,000 windows would have exactly the same strength. A few of them were bound to be slightly weaker than the others for various reasons.

Your constant use of the word "squib" just exposes your ignorance of CDs. The term used in the industry is "charge."

My aunt worked in the South Tower in the 1980s. Once after visiting her I made my first trip to the observation floor (Top of the World). The windows went from ceiling to floor and were very, very thick. Much thicker than the windows in my aunt's office.

"Squibs" are used in the entertainment industry to simulate gunfire or gunshot wounds. They are usually made with very small amounts of gun powder.

 

[Alt+F4]

Sorry, this thread is confused between WTC7 and the towers.

Both have squibs, but these are entirely different demolition methods. Let's be specific about which events we are discussing.

I agree! We have to keep things straight between the evil federal government demolition experts who destroyed the towers and the evil, Larry Silverstein controlled FDNY that destroyed WTC 7.

 

[Kent1]

WTC 7 has what some CTers call squibs, Gravy. They are visible puffs of debris coming out of the southwest corner, the one that so many pictures show is heavily damaged.

I don't believe there are visible puffs. Please see my previous posts on the thread. Also see

http://www.911myths.com/html/squib_enhancements.html

When looking at a larger version of the corner, the puffs go away. Its just poor compression.
Also see
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2056614&postcount=46

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

TruthSeeker, what are you getting at exactly??

What don't you understand about the following sentence:

Squibs used in controlled demolitions PRECEED the collapse of the building.

In the CT world of magic, the alleged 'squibs' are occurring AS the buildings are collapsing. This is contrary to an actual controlled demolition. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Squibs enable gravity to bring a building down. They are not the fireworks finale planted by the CD crew to celebrate the collapse of the building.

Are you saying you think some revolutionary new form of controlled demolition was used to take down one of the WTC buildings in which the squibs start going off after some other mechanism has already caused the building to collapse (Like an angry fire or a furious plane??)

As I understand it the idea is that the squibs went off as they allegedly did to give the impression of the "flowing" collaps caused by the building falling apart by itself. Controlled demolition was to be a secret.
And if you then take on the CT viewpoint: imagine the calculations needed to get these squibs to go off at the exact, exact moment to keep the collaps running as it did - one second off, and in Truthseekers world, the entire collaps would have come to a halt, thus ruining the effect of "natural" collaps, thus exposing the conspiracy.

Cheers,
SLOB

 

[beachnut]

Docker told me every time TS posts there are squibs coming out of his ears.

no explosive noises just squibs

no RDX sounds, just puffs of debris, like a sneeze of gray matter out of the ear

I would like to get the silent RDX that was used on the WTC complex by the super secret organization that Nixon needed to keep just a few people from talking to anyone!!!!!!

Poor Nixon, had no secret PNAC group, no silent RDX to pull off Water Gate. Nixon gone in 2 years!

Now we invented silent RDX to bring down WTC7! How did we do it?

Silent RDX makes air accelerate as it goes instead of an impulse slowing as it goes.

I swear the stuff being ejected looked just like when I drop a 4x8 piece of plywood in the construction site and some dust kicks up and accelerates until the board stops on the floor! So am I seeing a squib in action?

Does silent RDX exist? Or were there piece of plywood being dropped on each floor by the secret pixies? Or is TS a hopeless CT cult member?

 

[fuelair]

Well, it seems you have something in common with our old friend Kumar; every time you say "I think" you prove that you don't.

When floors are collapsing, the expelled air moves in all directions open to it. Down elevator shafts, down stairwels, through ventilation ducts .....

So, well ahead of the collapse zone, pressure starts to build up on the floors below.

Ever noticed when you stand at a subway station? You can tell the train is coming half a minute before it arrives, by the air that starts to come out of the tunnel tube.

Hans

NOTICE? OBSERVE? CAREFULLY CALCULATE? PAY ATTENTION?
You must be joking!!!! TS wouldn't recognize real data if it chased him down and mugged him in a falling building.

 

[MRC_Hans]

What is compressing the air if not explosives? The floors are not moving relative to each other.

I simply don't believe this. You are exposing your dishonesty. Apart from the fact that it has been explained to you, above, are you claiming that a building can collapse without the air in it being compressed?

Hans

 

[chillzero]

Well, to be technical, sure it can, if it's got a nice jet engine powering it straight down Or if it's a meteorite that's moving way fast on entry and slows down to terminal velocity, then until it reaches that speed, it would be falling faster than free-fall, no?

No.
If it is being powered by an engine, then it is not falling, it is being driven.