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Soy Protein

I have high cholesterol too

In August 2004 I was at 257 (and only 23 years old!). I lost 30 lbs over the next year and dropped 30 points.

My diet has changed alot... I've read in a few places that increasing your intake of whole grains and increasing your fiber intake in general can decrease you cholesterol. Do you tend to choose whole grains? It's a pretty easy switch to make, if you don't mind checking a few labels in stores. Of course, I went from nearly no excercise to 4-6 times a week, which I think has helped as well.

Hopefully this August I will be under 200. We will see.
 
Article on soy protein

If you are concerned about the side effects, here is an article talking about potential dangers of soy protein... I put in some spaces cause I don't think I can do links...

ht tp://thyroid. about. com/cs/ soyinfo/a/soy.htm

Hope it helps.
 
In August 2004 I was at 257 (and only 23 years old!). I lost 30 lbs over the next year and dropped 30 points.

My diet has changed alot... I've read in a few places that increasing your intake of whole grains and increasing your fiber intake in general can decrease you cholesterol. Do you tend to choose whole grains? It's a pretty easy switch to make, if you don't mind checking a few labels in stores. Of course, I went from nearly no excercise to 4-6 times a week, which I think has helped as well.

Hopefully this August I will be under 200. We will see.
I think age might have something to do with it, too. I used to be able to lower my cholesterol just through diet and exercise, but this time it stubbornly refused to budge no matter what I did...until I tried the soy. (I'm 46.)
 
If you are concerned about the side effects, here is an article talking about potential dangers of soy protein... I put in some spaces cause I don't think I can do links...

ht tp://thyroid. about. com/cs/ soyinfo/a/soy.htm

Hope it helps.
I've read a lot of pros and cons about soy. For every positive study you can find, there's an equally negative one, and vice versa.

My doctor checked my thyroid, and I don't have any problems there. I will keep an eye out, though. Like I said, I'm still skeptical, and I waver back and forth a lot about whether to keep up the soy or not. Thanks!

(Cute trick with the spaces!)
 
I think age might have something to do with it, too. I used to be able to lower my cholesterol just through diet and exercise, but this time it stubbornly refused to budge no matter what I did...until I tried the soy. (I'm 46.)

Hmmmm... It may also mean some genetic differences. I did change my cholesterol through diet and exersize and I'm 48.

We posted our numbers next to each other, and I see that my HDL was higher and my LDL was lower, but my total was (and still is) slightly higher. So, I'm thinking it is the genetic dice (the same dice that gave my butter/cheese/sausage eating hubby extremely low number!).
 
Hmmmm... It may also mean some genetic differences. I did change my cholesterol through diet and exersize and I'm 48.

We posted our numbers next to each other, and I see that my HDL was higher and my LDL was lower, but my total was (and still is) slightly higher. So, I'm thinking it is the genetic dice (the same dice that gave my butter/cheese/sausage eating hubby extremely low number!).
Yes, my doctor tells me to look at it this way...I'm really good at something. My body is really good at making cholesterol. Yeah, well, why couldn't it be really good at something USEFUL?!?!?

I have that same "hubby eats all sorts of junk and doesn't exercise at all, while I try to eat carefully and exercise, but his cholesterol, while not low, is still lower than mine" thing going on. When I expressed frustration over this to my (our) doctor, he said basically, "Life isn't fair."
 
...I have that same "hubby eats all sorts of junk and doesn't exercise at all, while I try to eat carefully and exercise, but his cholesterol, while not low, is still lower than mine" thing going on. When I expressed frustration over this to my (our) doctor, he said basically, "Life isn't fair."

Ah, but I can get back at dear hubby and the rest of the family by insisting we have fish for dinner for MY health! I love fish... but I married this guy from Vancouver Island (salmon anyone?) who does not like eating anything that once breathed water!

Revenge can be delicious.
 
For what it's worth, my wife went on the South Beach diet and has really helped her. Her dad first went on the diet on doctor's orders. He has had heart bypass surgery and a couple of heart attacks. His cholesterol numbers were low, but the good:bad ratio was almost non-existent! With drugs and diet, he's gotten to amost acceptable levels over the last two years. He also lost a lot of weight, which concerned me at first. Whenever you see a 60 year-old man go from fat to skinny in a few months, it usually means something very bad is going on. Fortunately, the weight loss was caused by the diet and not by anything else.

Once her dad slimmed down, my wife went on the diet and lost over 40 pounds in three months. It turns out the 'bad' carbs were keeping her weight up. She also worked very hard by exercising at least two hours a day. As a side benefit, her cholesterol numbers have gone from marginal to very good. Her older brothers are overweight and one has had two angioplasties, and he's only 34 years old. My wife was starting to experience an irregular heartbeat but that stopped once she went on the diet

Anway, I would recommend the South Beach diet to pretty much anybody who wants to lose weight and/or take care of their heart problems. The diet was actually first developed for heart patients and the weight loss was an unexpected side effect. What we've learned is that it is important to avoid certain foods and concentrate on the good ones, like lean meat, fish, etc. Soy protein is fine and there are some good recipies to prepare it, but it isn't going to cure everything on its own.
 
I'm thinking of trying South Beach myself, after I have the baby. It has worked well for my sister (she and I both have PCOS, which means we are insulin-resistant). I did Atkins but it was actually too extreme; if you have hypothyroidism, which I do, it's counterproductive to go too low in carbs as the thyroid will slow itself in reaction. Atkins made my CHO numbers get worse because a slowing thyroid does that.

Although, when I got pregnant I had my own plan going, which was highly cyclical, and it was working. Still, I do intend to buy the South Beach book and read it.
 
In reading this thread, I'd like to make some clarifications on diagnosis and treatment of dyslipidemias.

Treating the risk of heart disease is very important. CDC's last mortality statistics for 2003 show that heart disease still outpaced cancer for mortality. I heard on the radio that cancer is now the leading cause of mortality, but I didn't find any sources for this statistic. The rates of both heart and cancer mortality have been declining steadily.

ONe talks about the miniscule reduction in survival. Statistically, this "small" reduction may mean a much more dramatic reduction in MORTALITY. I would need to see the study results, but all cause mortality does not include a breakdown to the reduction in heart disease mortality, which I'd like to see. Moreover, if heart disease is only a fraction of total mortality, and the reduction is still strikingly large, it further accentuates the benefit of treatment of LDL with statins.

I take exception to the implication that doctors treat with statins because they don't wanna get sued. That would be a gross oversimplification of the process of assessment of a patient, educating the patient on the risk, negotiating a plan of treatment, and following up.

In one thread, it mentioned that total cholesterol stayed the same while the HDL went up and LDL stayed the same -- this is possible, since the fractionation of the lipoproteins only routinely measures LDL and HDLs, not VLDLs (very low density lipoproteins) and IDLs (intermediate density lipoproteins). THat also makes total cholesterol a poor indicator for stratification of coronary heart disease (CHD) risk.

Another comment was that why use HMGCoA reductase inhibitors (aka "statins") in the treatment of LDL cholesterol. What is compelling about the use of statins is that they significantly lower the risk of heart disease in all patients, that is to say, those who already have had MI, those who have no other risk factors for heart disease, those who have risk factors but no CHD yet -- virtually anyone. The question is: Who needs a reduction in risk? The decision lies with the doctor / patient and their comfort with risk.

4 counterpoints to statin therapy:
1. There is no reduction of CHD risk to zero.
2. One may always try lifestyle modification for low-to-moderate risk of CHD.
3. If the risk of CHD is very low (e.g. <0.5% cumulative 10 year), the risk and expense of treatment may outweigh the benefit from treatment.
4. Everyone is gonna die anyway, so depending on your life circumstance, it may not be worth it to treat the risk of CHD. E.g. an 80 year old in an assisted living home who suffers from painful multiple chronic medical conditions (stroke, arthritis, diabetes, hypertension). You must weigh quality of life and risk of all-cause mortality in assessing the benefit of decreased mortality and morbidity of CHD.

According to NCEP ATP III (National Cholesterol Education Program Adult Treatment Panel) which is the basic framework for the risk assessment and primary prevention of heart disease:
The assessment of heart disease requires a thorough history including age, gender, past history of CHD, family history of CHD, smoking, other medical problems including diabetes and high blood pressure. Also, cholesterol is needed for assessment of heart disease. Framingham risk scores, which are derived from total cholesterol, HDL, smoking, blood pressure, age, gender to determine the population-based cumulative 10 year risk for CHD events (notice I didn't say mortality)
In addition, the treatment goals start with LDL. HDL, triglycerides, and metabolic syndrome are 2ndary targets for treatment.
 

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