Sony busted for Payola.

[Darat]

Re: Re: Re: Sony busted for Payola.

Doing it isn't illegal. Doing it without dislosing it is. 47USC317. I'll have to see how it is that a state official got into the feds' business.

Thanks for that, that makes much more sense.

 

[CapelDodger]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sony busted for Payola.

Oh ha, ha. Not sure what radio you listen to but the stations I get on my radio seem to play sum-total of 0 unknown artists.

I guess you never had the benefit of John Peel's Your Mother Wouldn't Like It show on Capital Radio. Shame.

 

[Tony]

But this wouldn't happen whether the DJs are paid or not. A DJ could just choose to play records that she and her dog like.

How do you know?

Why should therefore a DJ have any choice at all about what they play?

If people don't respond to the DJ's choices and tastes then it's up to the radio station to deal with that.

You're talking about a completely different, non-related issue.

 

[Tony]

You know, that is precisely what I do. I cannot recall the last time I listened to a music radio station. The only radio I listen to these days is NPR. I think I can honestly say it has been years since I listened to a music station. My problem was with all the ads. I am just about ready to give up on TV as well. I'm down to Law & Order and Monk.

I listen to books on tape in my vehicle.

Maybe I'm just getting old.

I do the same thing (although my books are on CD). I recommend satellite radio. If you like variety, it’s the best choice you can make.

 

[Grammatron]

No it isn't. Not even close.

The censorship argument is that since the public owns the airwaves, the public (via the government) should have the right to censor "offensive" material. My argument is, since the public owns the airwaves, the public, not record companies, should decide what we want to listen to (via the dial).

In other words, I want the market, not record companies, to decide what is good and what isn't. The censors want the government and religious conservatives, not the market, to decide what is good and what isn't.

So you want free market to regulate government owned airwaves? Sounds a bit coo-coo bananas to me. If you want that get satelite radio. You won't get it from AM or FM.

False anology.

It's quite similar, here you have a car company paying TV shows to only use their cars. Doesnt' stop you from changing a channel.

Can I borrow your magic 8 ball sometime? I'd love the ability to make predictions like that.

How do you think it works then, you think if I were a musician I would show up at the radio and they would play my stuff?

 

[Grammatron]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sony busted for Payola.

I guess you never had the benefit of John Peel's Your Mother Wouldn't Like It show on Capital Radio. Shame.

If you say so.

 

[Tony]

So you want free market to regulate government owned airwaves? [/B]

Strawman.

Sounds a bit coo-coo bananas to me.

Of course it does, it's a strawman of your own construction.

If you want that get satelite radio. You won't get it from AM or FM.

I have it.

It's quite similar, here you have a car company paying TV shows to only use their cars. Doesnt' stop you from changing a channel.

It's still a false anology.

How do you think it works then, you think if I were a musician I would show up at the radio and they would play my stuff?

So, the way the music industry works is either "If that musician is talented he would be signed by Sony or BMG who would be promoting their quality records" or "you think if I were a musician I would show up at the radio and they would play my stuff"?

 

[Luke T.]

I do the same thing (although my books are on CD). I recommend satellite radio. If you like variety, it’s the best choice you can make.

A satellite radio has been on my list for some time. Right behind a new roof, a new fence, a new coat of paint on the house, diapers, baby clothes, groceries, and gas.

You can imagine my pain when I am writing about satellite radios in the private planes for astronomically rich people I write maintenance manuals for...

My wife bought me a TiVo last Christmas. It's still sitting in our bedroom waiting for me to hook it up. Can you believe that? I have no idea why I haven't yet.

 

[crimresearch]

Payola also had the effect of paying DJs to NOT play the competition.

And, if that is no big deal, why hide it from the public?

Go ahead and tell them openly that such and such an artist is lip synching to a studio band, and got to the top of the charts because their wealthy or connected parents influenced a DJ to bury someone else's original music.

Then tell them how sausage is made...

 

[Grammatron]

Strawman.

That was your argument, I'm glade you recognize it as such.

So, the way the music industry works is either "If that musician is talented he would be signed by Sony or BMG who would be promoting their quality records" or "you think if I were a musician I would show up at the radio and they would play my stuff"?

Record lables certainly don't put out CDs and sign artists because they love music.

 

[Tony]

That was your argument, I'm glade you recognize it as such.
[/B]

No it wasn't. My argument is obviously beyond your ability to comprehend. Shut-up now before you make yourself look dumber.

Record lables certainly don't put out CDs and sign artists because they love music.

Thanks for revealing your ignorance. Although you could have saved the time and bandwidth by just admitting you didn't know how the music industry works at the beginning.

 

[Tmy]

payola is like antitrust and bribery. Would you accept some managers in your citys port refusing to unload ships who dont pay bribes.

 

[Grammatron]

Thanks for revealing your ignorance. Although you could have saved the time and bandwidth by just admitting you didn't know how the music industry works at the beginning.

Tony I invite you to step into the reality of things and see that just because you type it does not make it so.

Peace.

 

[Tony]

Tony I invite you to step into the reality of things and see that just because you type it does not make it so.

I know. What makes it so are your stupid comments.

 

[Darat]

payola is like antitrust and bribery. Would you accept some managers in your citys port refusing to unload ships who dont pay bribes.

Well I would view it as "What you’re willing to pay us twice as much as another tanker to dock here? OK you've got priority".

I think it is fine for the radio station owners to state in their contracts with DJs that the DJs aren’t allowed to take money or gifts from record companies. I just don’t see what is fundamentally different between paying a DJ to get records aired and running a huge PR campaign to get the attention of the DJ.

 

[crimresearch]

Oh nothing much...just the difference between running a huge campaign to get people to vote for your candidate in the next election, and paying the person counting the votes to count your side's twice.

Just the free market in action, right?

 

[Tmy]

Well I would view it as "What you’re willing to pay us twice as much as another tanker to dock here? OK you've got priority".

I think it is fine for the radio station owners to state in their contracts with DJs that the DJs aren’t allowed to take money or gifts from record companies. I just don’t see what is fundamentally different between paying a DJ to get records aired and running a huge PR campaign to get the attention of the DJ.

Its cheating and bad for business. Youll end up destrying the entire industry. Sort of like why pro sports go nuts at the hint of players throwing games.

 

[Darat]

Oh nothing much...just the difference between running a huge campaign to get people to vote for your candidate in the next election, and paying the person counting the votes to count your side's twice.

Just the free market in action, right?

It’s entirely different.

 

[Grammatron]

I know. What makes it so are your stupid comments.

Tony you have not put forth an argument beyond junior high comebacks.

The reality is that majority of popular radio stations of today are nothing more than marketing ploys for the big record lables. And the big record lables of today don't wish to spend time developing artist and bands they sign those who will sell records and sell out concert to promote those records.

If you have some information to the contrary, then please, share with us and enlighten me to the errors of my ways.

 

[Orwell]

Record lables certainly don't put out CDs and sign artists because they love music. [/B]

Many do, but the big ones don't. That's why I don't spend a lot of time worrying about their financial woes. Mmm, come to think of it, each time something goes wrong fro them (like this payola rulling), I cheer!