Solve this crime!

[anglolawyer]

Pass. No one could compete with the comical remarks you've made on that thread.
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Sure Lane. Anytime you want to an adult discussion of that one, just let me know.

 

[Jim_MDP]

Obama did it.

/thread.

I believe you're mixing your memes, let me try...


"Young Canadian criminology student missing, presumed murdered by two liberal drifters."

Thanks Obama.

 

[Caper]

This is hot off the presses and even has a couple of candidates for (possible) railroading.



There are interesting details:


and the two in custody seem like unsavoury types:


So they must be guilty.

The apartment is on the same st as my work...... Halifax Water... I wonder if any of our security cams have anything suspicious.

 

[Caper]

I posted this because it could turn out to be another Knox saga and here we all are, in on it at the start without having to read seven continuations to get up to speed!

How could you fathom this being a Knox like case? I women goes missing... her broke tenants end up 2000 km away using her bank card. It seems pretty clear cut to me..

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

How could you fathom this being a Knox like case? I women goes missing... her broke tenants end up 2000 km away using her bank card. It seems pretty clear cut to me..

I think anglolawyer had his tongue firmly planted in his cheek when he said this. (I'm only speaking for him 'cause he's probably in bed, fast asleep, right now. )

 

[anglolawyer]

How could you fathom this being a Knox like case? I women goes missing... her broke tenants end up 2000 km away using her bank card. It seems pretty clear cut to me..

I think anglolawyer had his tongue firmly planted in his cheek when he said this. (I'm only speaking for him 'cause he's probably in bed, fast asleep, right now. )

It's too early to say whether I have my tongue anywhere. It just seems so obvious, as Caper says, that the cops need to be on guard against letting confirmation bias guide their thinking. The two thieves could just have opportunistically taken advantage of her disappearance to run off with her stuff.

I assumed when I heard the early reports that Knox and that other guy were guilty. Once bitten ...

 

[Caper]

It's too early to say whether I have my tongue anywhere. It just seems so obvious, as Caper says, that the cops need to be on guard against letting confirmation bias guide their thinking. The two thieves could just have opportunistically taken advantage of her disappearance to run off with her stuff.

I assumed when I heard the early reports that Knox and that other guy were guilty. Once bitten ...

You are 100% right.... I just can't see how it's not the obvious in this case.

 

[PitPat]

Well color my face red, I did not assume Amanda Knox's case laid behind behind most social issues' threads.

 

[Caper]

Well color my face red, I did not assume Amanda Knox's case laid behind behind most social issues' threads.

When the issue is potential injustice.... sure.

 

[anglolawyer]

Well color my face red, I did not assume Amanda Knox's case laid behind behind most social issues' threads.

It's a great example of bad thinking so, in that sense, it lies behind just about everything on this forum, not just social issues. The subject of this thread is what seems to be an open and shut case. It may turn out to be that but we self-proclaimed 'skeptics' should be capable of reserving judgment and viewing any new information critically. Don't you think so?

 

[anglolawyer]

Odd things from the article:

Video surveillance from the apartment shows her leaving the apartment on Thursday, Feb. 13, alone. It does not appear she was followed, said Mr. Saunders.

I assume there are no signs of violence in the apartment itself, as one might imagine if there was a row about the rent that got out of hand. So did these two young people plan and execute a perfect crime, disposing of the body that has still not been found? How? If they used the car to ferry it somewhere it should yield some evidence. Anyway, this detail justifies some skepticism IMO.

Alarmingly, text messages were sent from Ms. Saunders’ phone later that evening claiming she was locked out of her online banking and could not remember her mother’s maiden name to bypass security, the family said.

Was the phone found in the possession of the arrested couple? To whom were these text messages sent? Why the plural? Assuming someone other than Saunders herself sent these messages, she was presumably already dead since she otherwise could have been forced to disclose the security info to a captor.

The next day, Valentine’s Day, her phone was briefly in contact by text message with her sister, Ms. Terriak, around 1 p.m.

“The conversation was suspiciously short,” Ms. Terriak said.

What was the conversation? Was someone trying to convey the impression she was still alive? She was not reported missing for another three days. Yet, the article refers to a boyfriend. Did he not notice she was missing?

It is definitely concerning, especially with the time that has passed since her family last heard from her — usually she is in daily contact with her family. This is completely out of character for her.”

But they waited four days? Was she not in daily contact with her boyfriend too?

Meanwhile, the search continues for Ms. Saunders, who is about three months pregnant. She had struggled with addiction in the past and was on a Methadone maintenance treatment.

Irrelevant details? Presumably the boyfriend is the father to be. That suggests a close relationship. Again, what was he doing in the four days that went by with no reports?

Ms. Saunders is described as an Inuk woman, 5-foot-7, 120 pounds, with light-brown straight hair. She was last seen wearing dark-blue jeans, a black Columbia jacket and tan boots.

How cold is it in Halifax at this time of year?

 

[PitPat]

It's a great example of bad thinking so, in that sense, it lies behind just about everything on this forum, not just social issues. The subject of this thread is what seems to be an open and shut case. It may turn out to be that but we self-proclaimed 'skeptics' should be capable of reserving judgment and viewing any new information critically. Don't you think so?

Honestly I'm not sure what you're talking about. It's an interesting criminal case and I hope she's still alive. Signs point to involvement with her former roommates. That's all I think and know.

 

[Caper]

How cold is it in Halifax at this time of year?

Freeze the balls off a brass monkey.

 

[Caper]

Odd things from the article:


I assume there are no signs of violence in the apartment itself, as one might imagine if there was a row about the rent that got out of hand. So did these two young people plan and execute a perfect crime, disposing of the body that has still not been found? How? If they used the car to ferry it somewhere it should yield some evidence. Anyway, this detail justifies some skepticism IMO.


Was the phone found in the possession of the arrested couple? To whom were these text messages sent? Why the plural? Assuming someone other than Saunders herself sent these messages, she was presumably already dead since she otherwise could have been forced to disclose the security info to a captor.


What was the conversation? Was someone trying to convey the impression she was still alive? She was not reported missing for another three days. Yet, the article refers to a boyfriend. Did he not notice she was missing?


But they waited four days? Was she not in daily contact with her boyfriend too?


Irrelevant details? Presumably the boyfriend is the father to be. That suggests a close relationship. Again, what was he doing in the four days that went by with no reports?


How cold is it in Halifax at this time of year?

I would put it at about 1% then any other scenario then the obvious played out..... But maybe that's the point. There are a lot of murders... and a lot of 1%'s.

 

[anglolawyer]

Freeze the balls off a brass monkey.

So she would not likely have gone far on foot? I mean did she have to be heading to a nearby building or her car? How long before you die of cold?

I am assuming she is dead and that she met her fate outside her apartment. For the killers to be the two sub-tenants they either had to be waiting for her or they ran into her by chance. In one case a planned killing and in the other not. Is there a lot of snow? Would there be some tracks? The CCTV covering the entrance should show more interesting things than just her leaving. The other two must have been seen returning, alternatively the CCTV could completely exonerate them if they were inside when she went out and they didn't follow. Should be plenty of evidence. Just need a body.

 

[anglolawyer]

This article adds more information.

The text message about the maiden name was sent to the incurious boyfriend:

Yalcin Surkultay, 25, said he knew something was wrong a week ago when he got a text from Loretta Saunders, 26, a Saint Mary's University student, asking him what her mother's maiden name was.

He said he received the strange text message Feb. 14 from girlfriend, who was last seen on Feb. 13. It read: “I’m so stressed that I can’t like even remember my own mother’s maiden name.”

“It’s not possible,” Surkultay told CBC News.

But he doesn't seem to have looked into it or reported her missing.

 

[Dissolution]

This article adds more information.

The text message about the maiden name was sent to the incurious boyfriend:


But he doesn't seem to have looked into it or reported her missing.

The boyfriend's already talking about her in the past tense.
Is it wrong that it strikes me as odd behaviour?
Why didn't he phone her to see why she was stressed and acting oddly when he received the text?

I doubt that the two roommates will hold out for much longer against the police if the evidence keeps mounting up against them.
The bank card and car are pretty damning already, but if they also had her phone then that would pretty much seal it for them, body or not.

 

[anglolawyer]

The boyfriend's already talking about her in the past tense.
Is it wrong that it strikes me as odd behaviour?
Why didn't he phone her to see why she was stressed and acting oddly when he received the text?

I doubt that the two roommates will hold out for much longer against the police if the evidence keeps mounting up against them.
The bank card and car are pretty damning already, but if they also had her phone then that would pretty much seal it for them, body or not.

Doesn't there need to be more than that? They might opportunistically have stolen her car. Do we know whether they were found with her phone and cards? How do you access the money in an online bank account by phone? Don't you need a card and an ATM?

 

[Stacko]

Odd things from the article:


I assume there are no signs of violence in the apartment itself, as one might imagine if there was a row about the rent that got out of hand. So did these two young people plan and execute a perfect crime, disposing of the body that has still not been found? How? If they used the car to ferry it somewhere it should yield some evidence. Anyway, this detail justifies some skepticism IMO.

The fact that she wasn't reported missing until the 17^th and we had snow storms overnight on the 15^th, 18^th & 19^th could mean the body won't be found until the spring thaw.

How cold is it in Halifax at this time of year?

Unusually warm. We're actual getting snow and rain instead of it being too damn cold to snow. Here's a chart of the past week's weather conditions:

http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/halifax/historic

 

[anglolawyer]

The fact that she wasn't reported missing until the 17^th and we had snow storms overnight on the 15^th, 18^th & 19^th could mean the body won't be found until the spring thaw.



Unusually warm. We're actual getting snow and rain instead of it being too damn cold to snow. Here's a chart of the past week's weather conditions:

http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/halifax/historic

Interesting, thanks. I can see it would be easy to make a body disappear for a long time under the snow but what about tracks?