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So what does this mean?

Elind said:
For the former; If you want to claim to be sentient....yes.
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Dear me, I didn't realize neutrality, disinterest, or the suspension of judgment due to lacking sufficient data for making a judgment rendered one nonsentient. I guess you'd better make a big old list of every controversy ever, and pick your side for each, or else you risk being left with only two thirds of your tripartite soul!

As to the second......You are irrelevant to the universe, but that is a valid choice.....just don't bother spoiling the intent by posting here or anywhere else....:cool:.
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Everyone and everything that ever was or is or will be is irrelevant to the universe. The universe contains everything, but it isn't capable of caring about any of it. The only arena in which "relevance" has any meaning is in the human mind. And there, it's entirely a matter of personal opinion. And a degree of delusion, too. "Relevance" doesn't make a heap of difference in the big picture.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Dear me, I didn't realize neutrality, disinterest, or the suspension of judgment due to lacking sufficient data for making a judgment rendered one nonsentient. I guess you'd better make a big old list of every controversy ever, and pick your side for each, or else you risk being left with only two thirds of your tripartite soul!
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Uh oh. .. We are risking getting bumped to philosophy, or whatever, here.

We all make our life decision on what we have or what we are. Sometime wrong, sometime innocently wrong, sometimes stupid, sometimes mean and, dare I say, evil or even good.

What we decide is what defines us, excuses are irrelevant.

Everyone and everything that ever was or is or will be is irrelevant to the universe. The universe contains everything, but it isn't capable of caring about any of it. The only arena in which "relevance" has any meaning is in the human mind. And there, it's entirely a matter of personal opinion. And a degree of delusion, too. "Relevance" doesn't make a heap of difference in the big picture.
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:confused: ....thought that is what I said.
 
Elind said:
We all make our life decision on what we have or what we are. Sometime wrong, sometime innocently wrong, sometimes stupid, sometimes mean and, dare I say, evil or even good.

What we decide is what defines us, excuses are irrelevant.
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And sometimes we decide not to decide, or not to decide yet. Those are perfectly valid decisions, although the decider who decides such might be derided for not being decisive.
 
Elind said:
I don't know about first conceptually, but visually and viscerally I might agree. (Dune I or II?)

I never could understand why they did that twice, almost identical both times.
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Ehm, not sure if you understood me correclty.

You used a jedi emoticon, there are many similatiries between star wars and dune.. Enough that some SW fanboys claims dune is a ripoff of SW.. which is kinda funny since dune came first.

When you say Dune I or II are you refering to the games or what?
 
TobiasTheCommie said:
Ehm, not sure if you understood me correclty.
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Hard to say;)

You used a jedi emoticon, there are many similatiries between star wars and dune.. Enough that some SW fanboys claims dune is a ripoff of SW.. which is kinda funny since dune came first.
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So there are ignorant Star Wars fans. Big deal. Youth tends to be like that, which is why they have sky high insurance premiums for cars, as well as zilch respect for their opinions about classics.

Now if anyone wants to discuss the symbolism of 2001 under the influence of.... take your pick....I might have participated 30 years ago or more:D

When you say Dune I or II are you refering to the games or what?
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Symbolism is not my strong point. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but seriously, are you not aware of two versions of Dune, the movie(s).??
 
WildCat said:
If suicide bombers attack military targets it's perfectly justified. But their MO is to get on a bus, enter a restaurant, etc. and kill as many civilians as possible. No excuse for that, is there?
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Merely being a member of an armed force means that anyone who wishes to kill you is justified in doing so?

Since the two people kidnapped by Hizbollah were soldiers, does that mean it's acceptable?
 
zenith-nadir said:
Which were, for the record:



Emphasis mine.



Emphasis mine.



Emphasis mine.



...and on...and on...and on...
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A victory for the polarizationists on both sides of the conflict? And a defeat for from stakeholders in a moderate and mutual prosperity seeking Israel and Palestine?
 
Elind said:
Hard to say;)


So there are ignorant Star Wars fans. Big deal. Youth tends to be like that, which is why they have sky high insurance premiums for cars, as well as zilch respect for their opinions about classics.

Now if anyone wants to discuss the symbolism of 2001 under the influence of.... take your pick....I might have participated 30 years ago or more:D


Symbolism is not my strong point. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but seriously, are you not aware of two versions of Dune, the movie(s).??
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No, i'm aware of three versions. I am still at a loss to what you meant.

First there was the lynch version(which i have a very nice version of). Then there is the alan smithee version(which i have a rather crapy version of, not sure if a good one exists, though a new dune dvd was just released that might have it in good quality, i'm investigating that), and then there is the the "frank herberts dune".

I wouldn't claim that the "frank herberts dune" is almost the same as the lynch or alan smithee version.

If you are syaing that the alan smithee and the lynch version are almost a like, then i would agree. The reason they made the alan smithee was so they could air it as a mini series on telly. Gives them more add space. Besides for more add space people might be pursuaded by friends to watch the second part of the mini. Though i seriously doubt that happened since the alan smithee version is quite horrible.


Still not exactly sure what you meant.. oh well. I go sleepies now :) i'll reply to you tomorrow.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Everyone and everything that ever was or is or will be is irrelevant to the universe. The universe contains everything, but it isn't capable of caring about any of it. The only arena in which "relevance" has any meaning is in the human mind. And there, it's entirely a matter of personal opinion. And a degree of delusion, too. "Relevance" doesn't make a heap of difference in the big picture.
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So well said
So depressing
So true.
 
Elind said:
Oh dear. I think I may have exceeded my limits here......(roll over and beg forgiveness, and a piece of bacon)
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awww, i can't be mad at you

*tobias rubs Elind's tummy*

So tell me where do I find this "Third Version"? Ebay? I would be most grateful.

:o
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Well, ehm, you started by talking about two versions. Till you tell me what those two versions are i can't tell you where to find the third version.

I suspect that one of them was the lynch version.. But was the other version the frank herbert or the alan smithee one.. hmmm.. So which one is the third
 
It was made as follows:
Lynch (cinema)
Alan Smithee (tv version of the Lynch movie)
that was back a loooong time ago.

Then a few years back
Frank Herberts Dune (tv)
and then a litlte while later
Frank Herberts Children Of Dune. (tv)

So we have four movies total. First the old ones that are two different edits of the same footage, and thus almost identical script.

And then the new version(which is quite different from both of the prior versions) which got a sequal.
 
TobiasTheCommie said:
It was made as follows:
Lynch (cinema)
Alan Smithee (tv version of the Lynch movie)
that was back a loooong time ago.

Then a few years back
Frank Herberts Dune (tv)
and then a litlte while later
Frank Herberts Children Of Dune. (tv)

So we have four movies total. First the old ones that are two different edits of the same footage, and thus almost identical script.

And then the new version(which is quite different from both of the prior versions) which got a sequal.
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1 movie.
One re-edit/release/whatever of that movie.

2 TV series.

All plagued with horrible flaws.
 
yeah, well, in that case there was just one movie(the lynch one), since both the alan smithee version and the two new movies were mini series.
 
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