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Merged So Ebola's back......

zooterkin said:
Every person whose interview was chosen for broadcast, that is.
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Then tell us what you are implying here. The purpose of Frontline's show was to inform. This strong attitude of denial about the existence of Ebola was an important problem when the FIRST CASES appeared. Was this statement to cast aspersions on the information? Are you saying these bush residents are world leaders, at the forefront for their clinical approach to communicable diseases? lol.

These interviews were in public places: mostly in open-air markets where bush meat was being sold. Certain kinds of bush meat are much higher danger, eg bats and monkeys, for transmission of these lethal diseases where there is no vaccine.

Interviewees were loudly responding to the approval of others around that Ebola was a conspiracy by the government. The film crew showed the unsanitary conditions meat was being processed in: people cutting themselves and intermingling their blood with that of the animals for example. Seeing multiple examples of that was sobering. I used to work in a butcher shop, we bought the hanging carcasses (beef/pork) and put out the finished products. I would have been fired for the things they showed.

These people were using logic in a way: they had been eating bush meat forever. Nothing had changed in the bush meat. It is the same tomorrow as today. Monkeys and bats are also kept as pets, which is a second transmission vector.

The health care people were not saying to never eat bush meat of any kind, but to meet certain selection/processing standards. People were scoffing, not appreciating any kind of nuance in the message beyond "meat bad". Same with monkeys and bats as pets: they had documented cases of known transfer with pictures.

The ones they chose for broadcast, that is. :rolleyes:


That's at odds, again, with the podcast, where it sounds it was more a matter of education about what to do, not that all those acting a certain way succumbed.
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I can make the same charge against this podcast as you did with this early Frontline show, and it is pointless. Both are information, and attitudes change as the reality of death from this disease becomes invincible.

Once these impoverished, uneducated people see people dying right in front of them, they have an attitude adjustment. Now they want to know what to do. Now they see that the people handling Ebola victims are the ones getting it.

This appears to be a painfully constructed "disagreement" when you use the vague wording "those acting in a certain way succumbed". Well yea! Those handling the bodies (sick and dead) got the disease. How can you argue that the way people act doesn't matter? :boggled:

This show was pertinent for us in this thread for the very first that people were hearing of the existence of Ebola.

Denial and way too cavalier an attitude as compared with a much wealthier and educated society. Look how we knew of Ebola before they did, sending news teams in to speak with people in that very country who had never seen one with their own eyes and therefore doubted its existence...
 
catsmate1 said:
A US resident surgeon infected with EVD is being evacuated to Omaha. Link.
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So now we are stuck relying on imports? See? See what environmental unilateralism gets you? It's killed another innovative new healthcare business opportunity.

Call me a jingoist if you like, but any Ebola I contract had better be American made.
 
Imagine my distress at discovering that my inexpensive jeans were made in Africa! (...and in a country in which the average life expectancy was only 50.5, but that's another issue.)

Anyway, there may even still be business opportunities and money to be made for those of us whose heads aren't stuck in the past, such as in the disposal of medical waste! Look!

...from the article "Ebola Patients Create 440-Gallons (sic) Of Medical Waste Per Day":

Each Ebola patient generate (sic) an average of eight 55-gallon barrels of medical waste per day, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Pieces of protective gear from gloves and gowns to medical instruments, bed sheets, and even mattresses have to be disposed (sic) once they’ve been exposed to the pathogen.
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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...-create-440-gallons-of-medical-waste-per-day/

There's also still good money to be made from still treating the patients who happen to have some foreign made and contracted Ebola! Look!

...from the article "How Much Does Ebola Treatment Cost?":

Cost of care

Duncan stayed in the hospital for nine days, and early estimates are that his care cost the hospital $500,000, Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price told the Los Angeles Times. Other expert estimates range from $8,000 to $24,000 per day, based on the cost of treating other similar viral infections. Like much of health care pricing, the true cost is unclear.

“I’d say that $8,000 per day figure is the bare minimum,” says NerdWallet health care pricing expert Andrew Fitch. Patients rarely pay bottom dollar for health care, however, and Ebola treatment is no exception.

“I think the true cost will be much closer to $24,000 to $25,000 per day,” Fitch says, but warns that it’s not as simple as a daily estimate. The length of a hospital stay, intensity of care, and billing differences between hospitals will also factor into total cost of care.

“The final cost for some of these patients could be in the millions,” Fitch says.
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http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/health/2014/10/24/how-much-does-ebola-treatment-cost/

If anyone knows what the cost for treating a patient who contracted foreign made Ebola should be, it would be Wiley Price! Oops, no, what am I saying? Fitch obviously had it right there at the end! The final price should be in the millions!

It doesn't matter who is footing the bill as long as we are the ones doing the billing, remember! Didn't you take Capitalism 101?

:p

Despite my attempt at humor, there are perhaps some interesting, if not disturbing, issues in the quoted articles.
 
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5,177 confirmed dead.

The Ebola patient to be treated at Omaha's Nebraska Medical will arrive this afternnon (local time) and is described as "critically ill".

The DRC is now Ebola free; no cases for 42 days.
 
I can't find one news story about the current status of the doctors who treated Craig Spencer in New York. I find that disconcerting.
 
I saw an article from five days ago saying that the medical workers who treated him will be monitored for 21 days. So, I assume that is still being done.
 
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http://nvonews.com/ebola-in-india-has-it-spread-to-other-people-travelling-with-affected-man/

Two days ago India announced its first Ebola case and said that a man who had arrived from Liberia a couple of days ago was having traces of ebola. The man, a twenty-six year old person of Indian origin who worked in Liberia had suffered from it in September and had been cured of it.

But following some suspicion in India, his semen were sent for tests and it was found to have traces of Ebola. Experts suggest that Ebola traces can remain hidden in people for upto 90 days. Not taking any chances, the Indian authorities have quarantined the person for the next ninety days in a health facility near India’s international airport.

There are some real worries among Indian authorities that if other secretion samples of the young man suffering from Ebola such as sweat, urine etc test positive for Ebola, there are chances that the virus might have spread to other fellow travelers and other people who came in contact with him.

In the meantime there are reports that other people who travelled along with him are also being monitored. But it is needless to say that the government may not be having complete details of people who actually travelled with him. Dr Narendra Saini of the Indian Medical Association (IMA) says, “There should be serious monitoring of co-passengers as well as the crew and flight attendants who were on the same flight”.
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catsmate1 said:
Good grief, yet more stupidity. The fact that the Ebola virus remains present in semen after someone recovers has been known for, quite literally, decades.
It was documented in 1976 after Geoff Platt was infected and recovered.


The latest suspected US cases, in Houston and Brownsville, have tested negative for EVD.
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I wasn't posting it because of that, I was posting it because there is someone with potentially infectious bodily fluids in India. Here's hoping no one becomes infected because that could be an absolute disaster due to their incredibly dense population.
 
wollclark said:
I wasn't posting it because of that, I was posting it because there is someone with potentially infectious bodily fluids in India. Here's hoping no one becomes infected because that could be an absolute disaster due to their incredibly dense population.
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I wouldn't go that far. Some of them are pretty smart.
 
wollclark said:
I wasn't posting it because of that, I was posting it because there is someone with potentially infectious bodily fluids in India. Here's hoping no one becomes infected because that could be an absolute disaster due to their incredibly dense population.
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And there are thousands of people in a similar situation in Africa.
BTW before you use phrases like " incredibly dense population" you might want to check some facts; for example the population density of Nigeria is approximately half that of India and the country saw twenty cases, yet it's now EVD free.
 
there's a relevant review article in the current issue of The Lancet:
Ebola virus in the semen of convalescent men
Not that I expect mere facts to do much against unreasoned panic...


The latest US Ebola scares, in Brooklyn and St. Louis, have tested negative for EVD. Meanwhile in Africa the confirmed death toll is over 5,400, almost certainly an under-estimate.
 
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