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Sleep Paralysis

darren

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http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html

That is a great link for all kinds of information and history on the concept.

I suffered from it for a long time, starting at age 17.

I still have aware sleep paralysis happen to me a handful of times a year. I have, however, learned to avoid it. Though, like my brother, can seem to "feel" when it is going to happen. I think it has to do with the kind of tired I am. You know how its possible to be tired, but not sleepy, or sleepy, but not tired? Somewhere in that scale, there is a specific feeling where its like "hmmm, its gonna be one of THOSE nights again." A third feeling, stress, also seems to be related. Like if I am the right combo of sleepy/tired/overthinking something, its more likely to happen.

Since I actively have stopped sleeping on my back, its rare that I experience it anymore. I did get a crazy annoying ASP about a month ago while napping (on my back) on the couch. I began to awake and I had my eyes open, and was trying SOOOO hard to wake my body. I knew what was happening, but would drift back to dream state, with my eyes open. Then when drifting back to consciousness I convinced myself that a friend (who was due to come over later) had already arrived and was gonna try to startle me in my sleep. I "felt" like the friend was in the room, but of course he was not. It was only mildly frightening. But the physical struggle of wanting to wake was lengthy and troublesome.

But at night? I agree with this web site synopsis at the end of the quiz. It can be "LIFE CHANGING" in the sheer horror that one feels when the related sensations come about with the paralysis. Luckily, I got so angry, so SO ANGRY one day after a particular horrible episode (which I attributed to aliens or demons) that I finally told someone about this horrible thing. Immediately the first person I told was like "Ohh! Darren, you gotta know, this is nothing but a normal and easily explainable phenomenon." I am so GLAD someone told me about it, becuase I was about to totally freak out. The lack of control and fear that becomes part of daily life after a few dramatic episodes is really quite surprisingly intense.

Tell people about this, because I found more people who thought it was demonic, or ghosts or what have you, and it was such a relief to find out that it was literally and proven to be, "all in my head."

Apparently, only a small percentage of people who have the aware sleep paralysis ever have related phenomenon occur. (feeling of a presence in the room, sitting on ones chest, overwhelming sense of dread, etc) But for those of us who have, its a giant bucket of suck.

However, the sensation of "leaving the body" is pretty entertaining. Although I have scarcely experienced that without the onset of terror.

The brain is really fascinating.

I wonder if this is related to what happens to me when I drive. I hate to admit it, but I fall asleep at the wheel an awful lot. I have never dozed for more than 2 or 3 seconds. I have noticed though, that when I do, I usually start dreaming, immediately. And, in many cases I HEAR the dreams before my eyes close. I will hear scenerios in my head, and when my eyes shut, I see them. But that moment when my eyes are open, it seems that audio is real. I recall one long drive in Texas where I actually responded outloud to a comment I heard. I quickly pulled over, realizing that I was about to drift off. I didn't "hear" anything, but I did "hear" something in my head, I was vividly dreaming with my eyes open while driving. Its a horrible sensation, mostly due to operating a vehicle and knowing how dangerous it is to be getting sleepy.

Have any of you dealt with these things?

sleep paralysis page
 
I have not experienced sleep paralysis to my knowledge, but I'm fascinated by the subject (or more by how the brain works).

Do you feel rested after an episode during the night? Or does it disrupt the quality of sleep?
 
lose sleep? Not so much.

Do you feel rested after an episode during the night? Or does it disrupt the quality of sleep?

The actual episode is pretty short. It happens while falling asleep or while waking up. So, it may only last a few seconds to several minutes. Once enough awareness is reached, one can try to wiggle toes or fingers, and the body will hasten its awakening. BUT, when the brain tries to 'reason' why the frozen state is occuring, terror can kick in, and one can forget that its a "normal phenonemon" and one won't have mind enough to try to wake up.

The rest of the sleep is normal, and I don't feel like I ever LOST sleep over the deal. Maybe minutes. The real problem is that when I didn't know what was happening, and I thought I was being abducted, or some evil evil being was taking over my body, I'd tend to wake up a wee bit scared. It brought me to tears once. A couple of times I actively got up and went to the sink to try to shake it off. At one time I convinced myself I didn't care, and if it was evil then "what the hell, its evil" so I could just roll over and fall back asleep. But, it wasn't but weeks later where I was back to feeling sheer terror and waking in a panic wishing the night was over. Also, I find that it can happen a few times in a row, if sleeping posture isn't adjusted. IE, roll over on side or stomach.

I can't begin to express how glad I am that I learned about what it really is. Those were some unhappy nights, those were indeed.
 
Glad you found out, man. I can only imagine how freaked out you must've been. I suppose that's why so many people who think they've been abducted seem afraid. I always thought it would be cool to be abducted by aliens, and I couldn't figure out why these people were so upset about their perceived abductions. But I guess I never experienced the type of helplessness the paralysis instills.

By the way, are you able to move your eyes during the paralysis, or are those muscles locked, too?

I'm just wondering because in the commentary they spoke of 'dreaming' with one eyes open, and I thought dreaming took place during REM sleep.

Sorry if these questions seem silly. I just don't know much about sleep paralysis.
 
By the way, are you able to move your eyes during the paralysis, or are those muscles locked, too?

See, its not "dreaming" though. Its sleeping. But the sights, sounds, and "feeling" apparently are the effects of your brain trying to rationalize what is happening.

I am speculating, but from what I have read, its more like the brain is filling in blanks like "why is my body frozen?" "This is scary" "Hey, I heard that aliens do this...OH LOOK AN ALIEN!" Or whatever. But I think it is NOT dreaming. I am pretty sure my eyes are fixed. But the "leaving the body" thing is wierd, because I swear the vision moved, so maybe one can move ones eyes, or the imagination is just darn good. I dunno. But I am pretty sure it isn't classified as "dreaming". Wacky.
 
I experienced this once, but it wasn't that terrifying. One night, my girlfriend was having a nightmare apparently, because she was speaking in her sleep (nothing intelligible, but it sounded as having an awful time). That woke me up... almost. I was semi conscious. I wanted comfort her, even if that woke her up, but I found out I couldn't move, not even speak! The feeling was more of desperation since she was still complaining and I was unable to do anything. It didn't last long and I fell asleep again. In the morning i remembered, and thought "so that was it!", because I had been told about this phenomenon before.
Probably if I was fully conscious I'd have been more scared. The sleepiness won.
I tend to think that now that I know how it feels and what it is, it shouldn't be scary if it happens again. I would simply recognize it, give it up and either fall asleep again or wait for a full awakening.
 
darren said:
(snipped) I wonder if this is rela...loo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html]sleep paralysis page

Um, dude, if you're narcaleptic, you should really get that looked at. It only takes one time to crash and really hurt someone, and I'm very sure it would be much better if you never reached that point.
 
Phil said:
I have not experienced sleep paralysis to my knowledge, but I'm fascinated by the subject (or more by how the brain works).

Do you feel rested after an episode during the night? Or does it disrupt the quality of sleep?
I experienced several episodes in my mid 30's. I never knew what they were and forgot about them until I read the discussions on this forum.

They always happened while sleeping on my back, as I recall, and were always the same in the way they played out.

Soon after drifting off to sleep, I would suddenly wake and become aware of a very strange sensation throughout my body. I could not move or speak but knew I was awake and in bed. It felt as though my body was being carried away by some force and that I was physically disolving. I don't recall feeling terrified as much as I felt an extreme sense of urgency to stop what was happening. It felt as though I would disolve into nothingness if it wasn't stopped.

No aliens, no nothing. Just a very real sense of being compelled physically toward oblivion.

I was aware of the room and my body and struggling to end the process. I would always end it by sheer will and force my body to violently jerk which would break the process.

The strangest thing was the conflict of feelings. While I knew that if it continued I would "disolve" into something unknown, a part of me wanted to let it continue to see where I was being taken. My curiosity was always overwhelmed by the urgent need to end the process.

Years later, having forgotten the episodes, I happened to read about it on this forum and now realize what it was. Had I known then, I might have been curious enough to let the episode continue to see where it led.

I can understand how this process could convince some people that they were being abducted. It does feel just like that. But, alas, in my experience, I never got to visit the Mother Ship.
 
Grommitt said:

They always happened while sleeping on my back, as I recall, and were always the same in the way they played out.

As I see, sleeping on your back is a required factor. In my experience I too was sleeping on my back.
Which is a shame, because that is the most recommended position for sleeping, especially if you suffer back pain. It used to be almost impossible for me to sleep on my back, but I "learned" and now I do it regularly.
 
I've only had it happen twice in my life, and I never knew about the sleeping on your back thing, though both times I was on my back.

One time occurred when I was a child and I saw two people peek into my room. It scared the hell out of me, and I thought there was a robber in the house. I was probably around 7 or 8 years old (maybe) but remember it vividly. The other time it happened I thought I was having an asthma attack and felt like I couldn't breathe. I tried to move to sit up (I have asthma and was going to grab my medication) but I couldn't. I tried to speak, to call for my husband so he could get my medication, but couldn't. It passed, and my breathing was actually fine (though I did use my medication anyway).

When the second event occurred I had heard of sleep paralysis (and when I had read on it originally believed that the event when I was a child was also it, because there again I couldn't yell or move, though I wanted to do both). It was pretty mild, and as far as I am aware, mild occassions like both of those are not uncommon. And it is very bizarre, and afterwards (both times) it was hard to discern whether I had been asleep or awake, it seemed very surreal.

I did feel both times like there was someone/something scary in the house (only 'seeing' it the one time as a child), but nothing like the descriptions I've read of more serious attacks. Also for some people with this as a common sleep disorder, it's chronic (whereas AFAIK, it's not uncommon for the average person to have it happen 1-2x in their lives). I also talk constantly in my sleep, always have, and have on very rare occassion had sleepwalking episodes (or so I'm told hehe :))

Just a suggestion, regarding the poster who said they felt like they were falling asleep while driving, you may want to look into talking with a doctor about that, just based on your description it sounds like what I've read regarding narcolepsy (though it could also be sleep apena making you exhausted during the day). Either way, might be worth seeing a doctor and checking out. :)
 
narcoleptic and sleep paralysis

Um, dude, if you're narcaleptic, you should really get that looked at. It only takes one time to crash and really hurt someone, and I'm very sure it would be much better if you never reached that point.

Suez...

I don't think I am narcoleptic, as this only occurs while driving. I think my particular model of car and the road noise lulls me to sleep. (as I have toured the entire usa 7 times in another vehicle and never had this problem.) It only occurs in the afternoon, between 1 and 6 when I drive. I think it has to do with lunch, and the noise. I dunno. I thought it might have been carbon monoxide, but it doesn't explain why it only happens at certain times of the day.

But you are totally right, its dangerous, very. I try my best to avoid the conditions that I know make this happen. I think I will try aramotherapy (newly burned auto scent) or buy a energy amulet shaped like a car wrapped around a tree.

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As for the feelings of ugency during sleep paralysis another poster mentioned: YEAH I totally get what you mean.

I once had this so bad, that I thought one of the kids at my buddies house had snuck into the guest bedroom where I was staying and was messing with me. I thought he was up on a chair, which explained his shadowy figure above me. I got pissed and tried to shoo him out of the room. So I got up and chased him out of my room and tried to turn on the light. The lights didn't work so I followed his figure into the living room. When I got there, I froze, and felt a horrible sense of dread.

I then started to rationalize this as "aliens" and felt like I was being pulled into the floor. I kept thinking "no, don't take me" and I stood frozen and fell straight like a board onto the floor. When I "hit" the floor. I saw a hmmm matrix-like? pattern of bright geometric shapes and a bright light, and it felt like I fell through the floor. The falling "impact" caused me to jolt out of bed. I had never actually gotten up, and was suddenly huffing and puffing scared witless, awake, back in my bed. I then noticed I had like 20 inches of fabric from my comforter tightly grasped in both hands. I guess my body really freaked out. I was convinced something crazy had happened.

That was the most unusual set of circumstances. But according to that site, apparently all kinds of delusions can set in when you are prone at all to the "related" phenomenon of the sleep paralysis.

To tell the truth, I think that area of my life is one of the few things I have held onto that has kept me from making the complete jump into rational skepticism. As I religiously read this site over the years, that particular phenomenon was my own little "proof" that there was "something unexplained" that skeptics couldn't rationalize in the material world. I was REALLY glad to find out I was wrong. Not only was it terrifying, it wasn't something that belongs in polite conversation. Who do you tell that you are being "abducted" or "haunted"? I certainly wasn't going to tell other nutcases about it, cause I don't care to deal with other "alien" or "demon" enthusiasts/believers. But its also freaky enough that regular people would think I WAS one of those nutcases. Who the HECK do you talk about this stuff with?

I didn't want to bring it up here, because I simply don't want to be thought of as a nutjob. Learning about sleep paralysis was very soothing to my arguable "soul". It was very good to be "proved" wrong.

I got more steps to take before I really get on the same page as Mr. Randi, but I am willing to take them as I grow older and less sure of myself, less cocky, and willing to know that traditional belief is often nothing more than "tradition" gone unchallenged.

Its a hard path that the JREF has paved for ME, because of my background. But, each and every week I learn more. And for that, I am really glad.
 
I've experienced most of these phenomena myself from time to time. Hearing voices while I'm drifting off is the most common -- I'm generally aware that they're coming from inside my head and sometimes become so interested in the phenomenom that I wake myself up!

I've also had the paralysis effect a few times as well as the unspecified terrors. I hate that. I've awakened my wife once or twice by crying out.

I don't think I've had the heavy weight on the chest effect, except for the other day when the weight turned out to be our 15 pound cat! The purring was a clue...

Another interesting sleep effect I have is that sometimes during a dream I'm aware that it is a dream. I can't control it, I just know it isn't real. I'll notice things about the dream such as color and other sensations.
 
My wife had a hypnogogic experience at 16 and didn't understand it until CSICOP's Robert Baker described those phenomena at a NYASK lecture.
As a paperboy, I had reCURring dreams of dogs attacking me. So, in the dream, I woukld pick up the imaginary rock and they would flea.
I'm only dreaming I'm a butterfly.
 
Jeff Corey said:

As a paperboy, I had reCURring dreams of dogs attacking me. So, in the dream, I woukld pick up the imaginary rock and they would flea.

Groan!

I've had recurring dreams in which I can fly, sort of -- more like levitation really. I can hold myself slightly off the ground and drift down a slope. It's very tiring, I wake up exhausted. Wish I could learn to do it for real, I could use the million!
 
I don't think I've ever had this. I've had plenty of times where I've been unable to move when waking up or starting to drift off to sleep, but it's more of a momentary lack of energy to the muscles. (Brain is still function off in it's usual la la land.)

When I was a child, as I was falling to sleep sometimes I would feel my bed rocking back and forth. To me, it was neat. It was like a giant was rocking me to sleep. I got it occasionally until about my teens, and I don't recall having it since.

Other than the dream jerks that can wake me up every so often, the only other sleep oddity I have is very intense, rather odd dreams at certain points in my uh, womanly cycle.
 
I'm not sure but I think I too have experienced a very mild form of this as well. In my case though I have had extremely vivid hallucinations but not necessarily the paralysis. I've had these since I was a child, but thankfully due to the somewhat bizarre nature of them I figured out a long time ago that they were nothing more than figments of my imagination. Still there have been times when I almost could have become absolutely convinced that someone or something (ghost, demon,etc.) was in the room with me. The actual visions themselves have been anything from some small cat or lizard type creature crawling up my wall (okay, that one was terrifying) to a chair floating and spinning above my head (dead furniture spirits?). Yet, as I've said, I don't believe I've ever experienced actual paralysis. There were times in the past when I felt too scard to move, but now I am able to actually sit up and stare at whatever I see until it disappears and I am able to go back to sleep.

I suppose it is possible that these entire experiences are just dreams (I am only dreaming I wake up) except it just doesn't feel that way. Anyways I was glad to read this information, and I can certainly empathize with those who have become convinced their "abductions" are real. It's just too bad that there are those out there who take advantage, and charge them ridiculous amounts of money to "retreive" their lost memories instead of informing them about the truth.
 
I've had bothe the paralysis on waking and the "presence". Very scary. In my case it has only happened two or three times that I remember- which was quite enough.

I also get Trebuchet's ski-fly dreams. Exactly as you say- I start by taking longer and longer strides downhill, till my feet remain in mid air. Occasionally, I'm in an armchair, but that's far rarer.

There must be neurophysiological reasons for these similarities.
 
(I wrote the "ANOTHER POSSIBLE MODUS" commentary on sleep paralysis a few weeks back)

I've gathered quite a bit of info on this over the years, and I think I can shed some light on some of the symptoms.

An excelent BBC documentary on the brain visited a particular neuro-scientist who was studying the effects of magnetism on brain-waves. They placed a helmet on a patients head and turned dials to cause magentic fields to interact with the electrical activity of the brain. The results are quite remarkable....and very similar to Sleep paralysis. Feelngs of floating, feelings of stretching, falling into an abyss....etc

Most of the results were unpredictable, except for one. By setting the dials in a particular way they can, with a high degree of accuracy, cause a sense of a 'presence'.
"someone's definately in the room with me" one of the patients uttered.

Perhaps it's a sensation which the brain is almost prone to experiencing....I'm sure an evolutionist would have an explanation as to why.

I've also heard theories that the "dream" module of the brain is situated right next to the "fear" module.
 
I've had the buzzing kind a few times and it scared me because at first I didn't know what it was.

I've also awakened from a dream in which I was struggling to escape something, and found myself half-sitting-up in bed.
 
Hi folks. Sleep paralysis is one of my favorite subjects, as it caused me to be loopy for decades. There is absolutely no other reason I would've ever fallen for any type of woo-woo if it hadn't been for the sleep paralysis episodes I experienced in adolescence. Picture a kid who just learned the word 'existentialism' suddenly discovering an 'evil presence' at the foot of his bed while he's paralyzied and can't think straight. The next day I threw up crosses and bibles all over my bedroom, and I had no interest in religion prior to this. This was back in the 80s, before internet sites explaining the nature of the phenomena existed.

If any of you weirdos who have never experienced it actually want to, definitely try taking a nap while lying on your back. Also, taking 100mg of 'natural' source niacin three times a day can induce sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, and the rest. I still have the paralysis occasionally now, but since I don't panic anymore when it happens I rarely remember it. Sometimes now I do remember having it creep up and waiting for it to pass and just drifting back to sleep, though. Also in the past when I would fight to awaken myself I would always get up, turn the light on, and try to regain my bearings and I'd be light headed. I still get that light headed feeling once in a while when I get up to take a piss in the middle of the night. I figure my brain waves are in sleep mode and it's kinda cool. Once you know you can go with the flow it's all gravy. But back in the 80s people were telling me ridiculous ◊◊◊◊ about astral projection and severed silver cords.. just freaked me out uncessarily.
 

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