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Simple fluoride question

parky76 said:
has anyone ever gotten flourosis from drinking normal amounts of typical tap water?
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WR has posted some links to papers and articles that show rural China has fluorsis problems which are linked to areas with relatively high levels of naturally occurring fluoride.





ETA: Of course he's now come out against removing said fluoride from the water, so in WR's world, I guess said Chinese are SOL (as are the millions of Americans with comparable levels of fluoride - who curiously don't get fluorsis)
 
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Mr.D said:
WR has posted some links to papers and articles that show rural China has fluorsis problems which are linked to areas with relatively high levels of naturally occurring fluoride.
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how about in the USA, Canada, Australia, Britain, or Western Europe?

anything? anything? nothing? Bueller?
 
Without Rights said:
The mechanism, fluoride reduces I.Q, alters the hypothalamus and causes ADD. By damaging brain function and reducing intelligence people are less likely to worry about things in the world that require thought.

Since you just asked about chemicals in general, many chemicals are made to pacify dissent in patients. Seraquill and Thorazine are commonly used.

Rep or Dem? Neither. It is lobbyist paid for by aluminum and phosphate corporations. Since fluoride is toxic it is expensive to dispose of. Now it is sold for profit instead of being an expense.
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I never got an answer so I'll ask again.

Don't these chemical corporation conspirators fly on airplanes operated and maintained by the "brain-damaged" population? Don't they use elevators and bridges designed and maintained by these "brain-damaged" folks? Do they care so little for their own safety that they are willing to jeopardize their own lives as part of this scheme?
 
Mr.D said:
Why not? Poison is poison is poison according to your argument, right?
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I don't advocate removing fluoride from natural resources, I think even the thought is ludicrous. I don't advocate wiping arsenic off the planet either, but I don't want it added to my drinking water.
 
Mr.D said:
WR has posted some links to papers and articles that show rural China has fluorsis problems which are linked to areas with relatively high levels of naturally occurring fluoride.
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Yeah, that was one of the studies. Mentioning that one doesn't negate all the others.





ETA: Of course he's now come out against removing said fluoride from the water, so in WR's world, I guess said Chinese are SOL (as are the millions of Americans with comparable levels of fluoride - who curiously don't get fluorsis)
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Strange.
 
Ladewig said:
I never got an answer so I'll ask again.

Don't these chemical corporation conspirators fly on airplanes operated and maintained by the "brain-damaged" population? Don't they use elevators and bridges designed and maintained by these "brain-damaged" folks? Do they care so little for their own safety that they are willing to jeopardize their own lives as part of this scheme?
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It doesn't make you retarded, just dumber. Not so dumb you slober and can't function. Just so dumb that you can't read a scientific article about how drinking fluoride is bad without coming up with lame arguments that make you feel comfortable about poisoning yourself.
 
Without Rights said:
It doesn't make you retarded, just dumber. Not so dumb you slober and can't function. Just so dumb that you can't read a scientific article about how drinking fluoride is bad without coming up with lame arguments that make you feel comfortable about poisoning yourself.
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So you are saying that it is possible to be brain-damaged to such an extent that you cannot react to a scientific article about how damaging fluoride is, but you can still perform complicated, intricate tasks necessary to fly a jumbo jet safely. Stuff and nonsense. Why are you buying this?


Oh, and thanks for the jab where you describe the people on this board as being brain damaged enough to come up with lame arguments. You're on your way to win this argument for sure.
 
Ladewig said:
So you are saying that it is possible to be brain-damaged to such an extent that you cannot react to a scientific article about how damaging fluoride is, but you can still perform complicated, intricate tasks necessary to fly a jumbo jet safely. Stuff and nonsense. Why are you buying this?
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Oh, I meant brain damaged enough to not recognize a joke when you see one.


Oh, and thanks for the jab where you describe the people on this board as being brain damaged enough to come up with lame arguments. You're on your way to win this argument for sure.
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Actually it was a jab at one guy.


I thought jokes might be better arguing tools since these have no effect.

International Association for Dental Research 83rd General Session and Exhibition. Toronto, Canada.
Poster 2205. July 4, 2008
http://www.fluoridealert.org/connett.limeback.pdf
Tang Q-Q, Du J, Ma H-H, Jiang S-J, Zhou X-J.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18695947 Biol Trace Elem Res. 2008 Aug 10. 2008.

Committee on Fluoride in Drinking Water, National Research Council
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11571

"Common thyroid symptoms include[COLOR=#0000CC ! important][COLOR=#0000CC ! important][/COLOR][/COLOR] fatigue, weight gain, constipation, fuzzy thinking, low[COLOR=#0000CC ! important][COLOR=#0000CC ! important][/COLOR][/COLOR] blood pressure, fluid retention, depression, body pain, slow reflexes, and more. It's estimated that 59 million
Americans have thyroid conditions."

Xiang Q, Liang Y, Chen L, Wang C, Chen B, Chen X, Zhou M. (2003)
Effect of fluoride in drinking water on children's intelligence.
Fluoride 36(2): 84-94. 2003.
 
Mr.D said:
I guess said Chinese are SOL (as are the millions of Americans with comparable levels of fluoride - who curiously don't get fluorsis)
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So let me get this straight, you are arguing that fluoride does not cause dental fluorosis?

Oh and, prevalence of fluorosis in America has increased since fluoridation

Warren JJ, Levy SM. (2003). Current and future role of fluoride in nutrition. Dental Clinics of North America47: 225-43.

"There is compelling evidence that the prevalence of dental fluorosis has increased in the United States and Canada in recent years."

Marshall TA, et al. (2004). Associations between Intakes of Fluoride from Beverages during Infancy and Dental Fluorosis of Primary Teeth. Journal of the American College of Nutrition 23:108-16.

"The prevalence of fluorosis in permanent teeth in areas with fluoridated water has increased.. to as high as 70%"
 
If the amount of fluoridation done is so insignificantly small in terms of negative effects on health, how is it still supposedly so effective against tooth decay in these miniscule amounts?

How are the claims that fluoridation can have negative affects on some aspects of health so much crazier than the claims that it has positive effects on teeth (in small dosages, before it brings on dental fluorosis)?
 
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And how is it that you can drown in water when everyone knows that you can drink a glass of water without drowning? And, if you don't drink any water at all, you die of thirst? :confused: and :boggled:
 
If x amount of fluoride can have positive effect a, why is it impossible it has negative effect b?

We have to look at the evidence for a and b. Have the skeptics addressed the research finds for b that were posted, yet?
 
If two co-codamol make my back feel better, how can a hundred kill me?
 
Resolver said:
If x amount of fluoride can have positive effect a, why is it impossible it has negative effect b?

We have to look at the evidence for a and b. Have the skeptics addressed the research finds for b that were posted, yet?
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No. They all died of fluoride poisoning.

:jaw-dropp
 
Sledge said:
If two co-codamol make my back feel better, how can a hundred kill me?
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LoL :)

No, but the point is that while 2 can make your back feel better, they might also have detrimental affects at that dosage.

Similarly, 1 ppm fluoride might still be good for your teeth, but might also have detrimental health effects.

There should be discussion of the actual research behind the claims for and against the supposed detrimental effects.

Those questioning fluoridation have put forth research supporting the claim of detrimental effects.

It seems up to the skeptics to now refute that scientific research or provide more convincing research finds against those effects.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4304878&postcount=186
 
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JoeB said:
Finally read through this beast of a zombied thread.

I know it's been a while, but did anyone else find it ironic that WR started his anti-fluoridation rants by poisoning the well?
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WR might be wrong about this pacifying theory. Maybe Hitler just wanted his Arians to have nice white teeth.

But how about the research of the detrimental effects of fluoride? Can someone address that directly?

Here are links to some of that research:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4304878&postcount=186
 
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Ok, so the government of the United Kingdom is deliberately poisoning it's population to...

:confused:

... what's the point of this plot again? You seem to be suggesting that various world governments are spending money on something that they know is bad for people. Why are they doing this?
 
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