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Simple fluoride question

Who are you? Just read Jr.
That seems awfully dismissive, no?
No, the other countries were overwhelmed with scientific evidence.
I didn't make a specific claim about what other countries did or did not do, just hypothesizing what I thought were the likely answers. Do you have evidence of your, very certain, claim? I imagine that if they did in fact ban fluoride (or is it fluorine?) there would be a law on the books explaining why and, if they are anything like the US, it should be publicly available.
Can you site a scientific journal that provides evidence that swallowing fluoride is beneficial. Can you argue a point against the 20+ scientific papers that say it causes many diseases. And these same diseases have risen in our society in a coefficient manner. Ignore it all and it doesn't exist???
My memory isn't really all that great, I'm afraid, so maybe I've forgotten something, but I don't recall anyone claiming swallowing fluoride is beneficial. It's application to teeth is beneficial, and ingesting too much of it is detrimental, but evidence appears to say that ingesting the small amounts we do has little to no impact on our bodies, positive or negative.
 
Don't you see what's going on here, Without Rights? These fluorideheads are too dumbed down to understand what you're saying!

But seriously though, mass-medication is weird and disturbing. Maybe that's just the fluoride talking..
 
I didn't make a specific claim about what other countries did or did not do, just hypothesizing what I thought were the likely answers. Do you have evidence of your, very certain, claim? I imagine that if they did in fact ban fluoride (or is it fluorine?) there would be a law on the books explaining why and, if they are anything like the US, it should be publicly available.

For one case, the Netherlands had fluoridation of the drinking water from 1960 to 1973. According to wikipedia, opponents cited concerns of adverse effects, and the availability of other means of getting fluorine to the teeth.

I don't want to go into the good/bad discussion. Wiki states that too much fluorine may cause fluorosis of teeth and other things. I'll leave it to you to continue that discussion - but you might do it in a more cordial fashion.

As to the other means: my first dentist, 1970s, heavily plugged toothpaste with fluorine. He also administered once or twice a kind of fluorine-containing paste to my teeth at a 6-month checkup. Since years, virtually all toothpastes on sale here do contain fluorine. Also, dental care for children up to 18 has always been part of any health care insurance. So, methinks there are excellent means of getting enough fluorine to people's teeth.

Of course, these are social parameters that vary from country to country, so YMMV. In particular for the US, with its tens of millions of uninsured people I can imagine millions not seeing a dentist and those very same millions largely overlapping with those who do not give their children enough discipline to daily brush their teeth and/or do not know about the beneficial effects of fluoridated tooth paste.

BTW, there is no fundamental adverseness in the Netherlands against such additives. For instance, we've had for decades that all table salt sold had iodine added against thyroid problems, and bakers still use salt with added iodine.
 
But seriously though, mass-medication is weird and disturbing.

Why? Seriously. Assume for a moment that fluoride in water does provide benefits to dental health but does not cause any adverse effects. Why would putting fluoride in water supplies by either weird or disturbing? As far as I'm concerned it would be absolutely the obvious thing to do, depending on costs of course.

Obviously if there really are detrimental effects then that would be a different matter entirely, but from your post it doesn't seem as if that is relevant to finding it disturbing. I see this kind of sentiment a lot from various conspiracu theorists, anarchists and the like, but I've never understood where it comes from. Sure, if you assume something is bad for you then the idea of it being made difficult to avoid isn't very nice, but if you assume that something isn't bad, or is actually good, why would you still consider having it provided for everyone a bad thing?
 
I'm pretty sure it's not a mind control plan, the fluoride in water. But I still don't like it.

Toothpaste tubes say do not swallow. The dentist gives you a cup of blue fluid, says slosh it around and spit out. Do not swallow!

Perhaps you should get inform as to WHY you shouldn't swallow it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothpaste

"With the exception of toothpaste intended to be used on pets such as dogs and cats, and toothpaste used by astronauts, most toothpaste is not intended to be swallowed, and doing so may cause nausea or diarrhea"

It won't kill you, you know.
 
Hitler used it to pacify his serfs.

Starting with a Godwin is not exactly a good sign.

Tell me something, if this stuff makes you more pacified, why aren't any of us affected ?

Let me give everyone a homework assignment. Find any scientific study that says swallowing fluoride helps prevent cavities. You won't find one. That's because it works topically to prevent cavities. Ingestion of fluoride causes many harmful effects, including dental fluorosis, which thins the teeth and makes them like nails.

Who said anything about swallowing large amounts ?

And that is pharmaceutical grade fluoride, not the stuff scrapped off the side of the smoke stack at a phosphate mine that we get in our water.

Isn't that kind of a good thing ?
 
The mechanism, fluoride reduces I.Q, alters the hypothalamus and causes ADD.

Source ?

By damaging brain function and reducing intelligence people are less likely to worry about things in the world that require thought.

Actually, ignorant people seem to worry a whole lot more about these things...

Rep or Dem? Neither. It is lobbyist paid for by aluminum and phosphate corporations.

Huh ? For what purpose ?

Examples? A loaded question if I ever heard one.

Actually, beign able to provide evidence for your claim is pretty much standard in science AND skepticism.
 
If most medical experts agree that ingesting fluoride is good and causes no damage then Show me a study.

Actually, you're the one making a claim.

Mentioning proof is not providing proof? What, do you want me to mail you the journals? Mentioning scientific journals is providing proof.

No, REFERENCING journals constitutes evidence. Claiming that they exist is not the same thing.

This is the worst argument I have ever heard.

You don't go out much, do you ?

Oh, water, garlic, mustard, peanut oil, cream cheese, and borscht are not toxic.

Try drinking 90 litres of water per day and you'll find out the hard way.

You are wrong and you are ugly is ad hominem

No it isn't. You are wrong because you are ugly IS.
 
Reading this thread I'm sure all the pro fluoride people are already damaged. Sorry for them, but it's just too late. John Hopkins does not give sodium fluoride thumbs up.
 
Reading this thread I'm sure all the pro fluoride people are already damaged. Sorry for them, but it's just too late. John Hopkins does not give sodium fluoride thumbs up.

And yet I'm pro-fluoride but have lived most of my life on tank water rather then city suply. How do you figure that?
 
Reading this thread I'm sure all the pro fluoride people are already damaged. Sorry for them, but it's just too late. John Hopkins does not give sodium fluoride thumbs up.

Well,in my country no fluoride is in the water,yet I find this CT not correct (nonsense).
 
I'm sure fluoride doesn't drop memory or book work abilities, what it does is to instill fear and compliance. Making victims easy to order about(give your wife some) As I have said in earlier thread all the army bases have fluoride water making the testosterone loaded teenagers controllable. Also sodium fluoride is hard to dispose, toxic and would cost big industry, so lets sell it to the water boards. Bet some palms were greased. Town and city one by one and we except it? why arn't we marching with pitch forks.
 
old bob, since WR wont give out sources, you can help him. Provide links to studies taht support that Fluoride can be used as a way to pacify peopkle,.


And keep in mind that I have a nephew who is hyperactive, drinks fluoridated water, and brushes his teeth. Disobey's when he thinks he can get away with it, and has to be told numerous times what to do and what not to do;.

That is definitely a "pacified" little child.
 
Our bodies are a highly refined machine which have replicated for along time, why risk change or damage. If the talking heads told you "yer yer thats true" or if some silver spoon so called professional person with odd letters after there name stated Yes it's good for your teeth (give me my bribe now) would you ,are you suckered. Think of the small amount of water drunk against the average house hold use, does that make sense or is it a way of getting rid of a toxin? I blame sodium f. for many of the health problems we all face eg. osteoporosis and many mineral shortage's in our food leading to shortened lives. In my opinion all the people who decide it's pushed on us are murdering evil criminal crap or too stupid to hold the position they have.
 
Our bodies are a highly refined machine which have replicated for along time, why risk change or damage. If the talking heads told you "yer yer thats true" or if some silver spoon so called professional person with odd letters after there name stated Yes it's good for your teeth (give me my bribe now) would you ,are you suckered. Think of the small amount of water drunk against the average house hold use, does that make sense or is it a way of getting rid of a toxin? I blame sodium f. for many of the health problems we all face eg. osteoporosis and many mineral shortage's in our food leading to shortened lives. In my opinion all the people who decide it's pushed on us are murdering evil criminal crap or too stupid to hold the position they have.

Ahhh, so it's merely your opinion. gotcha. Of course there have actually been a number of studies that conclude that those that live in fluoridated water areas have less tooth decay than those that don't, but it's sure to be coincidence right?
 
Phatomwolf, I could say " A study shows that 87.5% of the people scratch their butts twice a day." Then print it in the news and bingo it's fact. I don't believe the % studies that constantly come out. In this commercial world money bends the rules. I feel nauseated knowing that the bulk of the people of Qld are now slowly being damaged. It will take years to turn Anzac stock into wimps but slowly they control us. As for sources of info you are all sitting in front of the greatest information tool we ever had. Just put in search things like "toxins added to water" or some thing similar. I have stumbled on many anti sodium fluoride sites without even trying.
 
Old Bob do you think that if they stop drinking the fluoride in the water that the people will realise they were manipulated or is it a permanent brain damage?
 
Um, excuse me?

Several of the studies mentioned specified "highly fluoridated" and/or had studies done on rats, where the equivalent human dosage would be enormously higher than what drinking the standard 1 ppm would give you. Also relevant in this discussion is what fluoride compounds are used, since how we metabolize chemicals varies greatly depending on how they are bonded when they are ingested.

The discussion of whether or not adding fluoride to the water supply may be adviseable given that the access to dental care, better toothbrushes and toothpaste, widespread knowledge of better brushing techniques are now much more prevalent than they were when the public health benefits seemed worthwhile; but that should be based upon doing matched cohort studies with good controls. Bringing in some (undocumented) reference to Nazis using fluoride to pacify the population is absurd.

One thought: Given that there are places where the naturally occuring fluoride levels are higher than the standard 1 ppm, what levels of passivity, ADD, lower IQ etc. do we find in those communities versus comparable communities with no or lower levels?
 

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