Should Homeopathy be illegal?

[Guest]

OK, I have a question. I have seen several comments in this thread that anything more dilute than 12C (24X) contains no molecules of homeopathic agent.

However, if I have a four gallon jug of homeopathic arsenic at a dilution of 13C (26X), then it should theoretically contain five molecules of arsenic.

Yes? No?

A homeopathic dilution of 12C means one molecule of homeopathic agent per 10²⁴ molecules of water.

Yes? No?

Is merely specifying the dilution factor, 12C, sufficient to determine how many molecules of arsenic are in the water if you don't also specify how many molecules of water?

How many milligrams of homeopathic dilution are added to each homeopathic sugar pill? Recall that in 24X there is about one molecule per 30,000 milligrams of water. So one pill may not contain any molecules of homeopathic agent even at dilutions of 21X (assuming 30 mgs of water per pill)?

Have I missed the point here?

Wow, you rational types really don't get the full power of homeopathetic magic, do you? The process goes like this. First, you don the loincloth and the beaded headdress. Unless you're a virgo, in which case there is no hope for you.

Then you put together the orginal potion. Shake it exactly 10 times. Take a 10th of that potion and put it into a skull bucket the size of the original skull bucket. Shake that. 10 times. Take a 10th of that potion and put it into a skull bucket , etc.

See the process? See how infinite dilution works, oh close-minded, scientistic babbler?

And don't talk to me about Avocado's number!

Cheers,

 

[Flatworm]

OK, I have a question. I have seen several comments in this thread that anything more dilute than 12C (24X) contains no molecules of homeopathic agent.

However, if I have a four gallon jug of homeopathic arsenic at a dilution of 13C (26X), then it should theoretically contain five molecules of arsenic.

Yes? No?

Yes, you're absolutely correct, as is the rest of your post.

Right now, though, I'm assuming the approximate volume of liquid used to prepare a typical end-consumer sized bottle.

We seem to be having trouble communicating to RS that a homeopathic remedy can be invalidated by its dilution alone, and I have no wish to add to her math anxiety.

 

[Flatworm]

Right... Not all Homeopathic remedies are just the WATER based remedies , geddit.

Pure water, pure alcohol- the fact remains there is none of the active ingredient remaining.

Which the same entire homeopathic remedies is what you are trying to illegalise based on one water based part, without testing the rest of the range. Geddit now?

Theres ...:-

Homeopathic Remedies 30c(trying to say illegalise as there only water )
Homeopathic Remedies 6c (")
Homeopathic Children's Products
Homeopathic Combinations
Homeopathic Cough Syrups
Homeopathic Creams
Homeopathic Lotions,Balms, Sprays
Homeopathic Ointments
Homeopathic Tinctures/Drops
Homeopathic Toothpaste

The idea is simple- anything that displays a dilution which makes it mathematically unlikely that any of the active ingredient remains should be illegal to sell as a remedy. This is the same whether it's toothpaste, creams, ointments, or whatnot.

6C homeopathic remedies cannot be banned on this basis (we should certainly expect the presence of the active ingredient) but they should still be tested just like a drug before they're allowed to make medical claims.

http://www.greensfoods.co.uk/index.asp/page=group/groupid=5/homeopathy.htm

When I say if all has been tested and proven to be nothing but water then yes remove the entire lot, if only some are tested and found to be such, then remove those that are false and label more clearly the rest as with providing more information. [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[xouper]

Bump, to preserve this thread from pruning.

 

[Rolfe]

OK, I'll bite. The sad thing is, this was tried in the US, and it failed. The case was brought under advertising standards legislation, in which the burden of proof is on the complainant to show that the claim is false. As far as I can make it out, the judge ruled that it wasn't enough for the complainants to assert that something which it was agreed was nothing but water wasn't medicine, if they hadn't themselves done any actual tests of that particular brand of water.

And this document seems to be nearly ten years old, and doesn't appear to have got anyone anywhere.

Anyway, it's magic, didn't you know?

Rolfe.

 

[BTox]

This was an amusing thread. Homeopathy comes up here frequently, it appears, but usually with a different set of advocates. Whatever happened to radiating sunflower, finally wilted?

 

[Skeptoid]

BTox asked:
Whatever happened to radiating sunflower, finally wilted?

Good ol' radiating-sunflower. She left the forums only to return as Passionate_Iniquity, claiming that a stalker had followed r-s here. This was the first of many lies and tales of woe perpetrated by her many identities (radiating-sunflower, Passionate_Iniquity, P_I, Pie, Radiating Sunflower again, Moon_Lilly, Biker Babe, and others). Her final incarnation was as the infamous Hellcat, who hoaxed a bunch of folks with a tale of terminal cancer and suicidal tendencies that got her banned from this forum.

A real kook.