Sharon says "no one cared"

[Ian Osborne]

Unfortunately, my experience with "Skeptic" leads me to believe that this is EXACTLY what he does indeed believe.

He believes it about anyone who's even mildly critical of Israel...

 

[LW]

Correcting myself:

Auswitch lied at the very extreme range of Mustang.

From Southern England. Mustangs from Southern Italy could have reached Auswitch.

 

[Ian Osborne]

There's an interesting thread on the practicalities of bombing Auschwitz on an Air Safety Forum, here...

 

[Skeptic]

The point is that not bombing Auschwitz was not a priority for a variety of reasons, but above all because it was only jews.

It's the same today with those 40% or so (don't recall exact figure) of Europeans who said israel is the "greatest threat to world peace".

This does not express their belief that it is likely that israel will declare war on them or israeli terrorists will blow up their planes. It expresses the view that it's completely inconsiderate of israel to exist when it makes the Arabs world angry and it sends out bombers and terrorists all over the world.

Can israel please just disappear so that we Europeans won't be annoyed by the Arabs? The view is. After all, it's only jews.

 

[Chris O.]

Why would you bomb a concentration camp? You'd kill the very people you were trying to save!

Aside from guards, and the administration, there were no targets at a concentration camp, maybe a factory where they were working, but then that's one target, not an industrial section of a town. And there's no chance that a high-level bomber could hope to hit the admin building or factory, surrounded by the barracks of captives, without killing 1000's of them.

It's not like they were using percision laser-guided bombs, or bombs with GPS guidance systems! It was a guy in a plane, looking through some sights with cross-hairs drawn on them, estimating air speed, wind velocity, and altitude, in an area that was generally cloudy, foggy, smoked out, or all of the above. It wasn't even an option. You might as well toss hand grenades into a school yard to prevent another school shooting. Yeah, you might have gotten the bad guys, but look at the price you paid.

And I may be wrong about this next part, but I'm fairly certain the rest of the world didn't even know about the concentration camps untill occupation forces stumbled upon them. As far as they knew, they were just fighting a war to keep Germany from taking over more countries.

 

[Ian Osborne]

And I may be wrong about this next part, but I'm fairly certain the rest of the world didn't even know about the concentration camps untill occupation forces stumbled upon them.

We knew about them from the Summer of 1944, when a couple of escapees made it back to Allied territory. A feasability study was made, and it was decided that bombing Auschwitz was not possible. And don't forget the impending D-Day - Allied air forces were kinda busy...

 

[Chris O.]

And I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

 

[LW]

It's the same today with those 40% or so (don't recall exact figure) of Europeans who said israel is the "greatest threat to world peace".

You are misremembering the poll (and the percentage was 59%).

The poll listed 15 countries and attached to each country there was a yes/no box for whether the respondent thought the country is a "threat to world peace". The responders were not asked to put the countries in any order with respect to their perceived threat values, they couldn't choose the countries freely, and they couldn't grade their answers in any way: it was black or white, yes or no answer.

Also, the poll was misformed because there was no entry for the Palestinian Authority so if the responder wanted to express concerns about about the Arab-Israeli conflict, he or she had to mark Israel as the threat.

 

[Cleon]

The point is that not bombing Auschwitz was not a priority for a variety of reasons, but above all because it was only jews.

Do you have evidence for this, beyond your say-so?

 

[LW]

And I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

And the US did bomb the prisoner-operated factories of Auschwiz III (Morowitz) several times in late summer and autumn 1944.

I could have understood if Sharon had complained about not bombing the gas chambers. The destruction of the four large gas chambers of Birkenau would have slowed down the murder of Hungarian Jews (and caused a lot of "collateral damage" in the women's camp that was adjacent to chambers II and III) but it wouldn't have prevented it: before the large chambers were built, the Nazis managed to murder 100,000 people in two months in the gas chamber I that was essentially a cellar with four large rooms. There were plenty of buildings as suitable as that in the area and Auschwiz wasn't liberated until January 1945.

But the issue with railroad bombings is just stupid.

 

[Chaos]

Do you have evidence for this, beyond your say-so?

If he had the evidence, he´d have posted it a long time ago.

 

[ZeeGerman]

You are misremembering the poll (and the percentage was 59%).

The poll listed 15 countries and attached to each country there was a yes/no box for whether the respondent thought the country is a "threat to world peace". The responders were not asked to put the countries in any order with respect to their perceived threat values, they couldn't choose the countries freely, and they couldn't grade their answers in any way: it was black or white, yes or no answer.

Also, the poll was misformed because there was no entry for the Palestinian Authority so if the responder wanted to express concerns about about the Arab-Israeli conflict, he or she had to mark Israel as the threat.

this has been dealt with properly here
But why should that stop Skeptic to misrepresent it when he sees fit? It so nicely matches his paranoid world view.

Zee