seeing the light in skepticism

Uniqueness of course is an abundant commodity.

I see Ian as the mad uncle in the forum attic, who serves as an awful warning to the young, of the dangers of dabbling in the darke arts Philosophicke and Paranormalle.

He may be allowed out for exercise on Saint's Days , so long as kept on a strong leash and dowsed periodically with holy water.
 
Soapy Sam said:

He may be allowed out for exercise on Saint's Days , so long as kept on a strong leash and dowsed periodically with holy water.
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Doused. You see what happens when you traffick with the paranormal? Get thee to a skeptical exorcist forthwith, and wash thy mouth out with the soap of righteousness! :D
 
I would like to say your irony meter need new batteries.

But I can't.

Mea culpa.
 
Pragmatist said:
Doused. You see what happens when you traffick with the paranormal? Get thee to a skeptical exorcist forthwith, and wash thy mouth out with the soap of righteousness! :D
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Bretheren, I shall performe the rituel! *beats Soapy over the head with a giant wooden cross made from 2x4's* Out daemon!
 
Dr Adequate said:
Another stupid psych-101 thread, just what we needed.

SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! SHOW US THE EVIDENCE!
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Please don't waste bandwidth. You will have the courtesy to behave yourself in my thread or you will be reported for breaking the rules of the board. Thankyou.

Wrt the evidence. It has simply not been dubunked and there is too much of it to claim coincidence anymore. My point is that some cannot even accept the reality of its existence, and to those who can, such a state of affairs is as mystifying to them as it is inconceivable to the other. Whichi s perhaps why this thread deteriated so quickly.
 
I suspect this De'Ville's Advocaat person is Lucianarchy.

I have no solid evidence. It's just a hunch.
 
Whichi s perhaps why this thread deteriated so quickly.
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Nope, this thread was rotten to begin with, since the original post in it was essentially (a) fact-free and (b) the same old tripe about "there is too much evidence to ignore now" with, of course, zero evidence included.

You'd think, for all these claims of evidence, that I wouldn't be able to walk down the street without being hit by half a dozen high speed spoons.

I kind of see this whole thing in a political sense, wherein the republicans (aka political woo-woos) are voting for a fraudulent set of ideas that appeal to their emotions, and the dems (aka political skeptics) vote by issues. Not that that isn't a terrible oversimplification, but it was fun to think about.

Hm, taking this idea farther, I wonder...if we looked at the membership numbers in this forum, or in any skeptical group, I'd be willing to bet real money that the "blue" states have the highest number of skeptics.
 
Can't you guys at least make a token effort to be polite?

De'ville, I am and will remain skeptical of psi until it is readily demonstrated in a self apparent way that rules out mundane causes and trickery.

For example, with the spoon bending you mentioned, it would need to be done in a way that rules out any sort of trickery or bending through normal means. Thus, the bending would have to occur without the spoon being touched, and the spoon can't have been handled before the demonstration began. If it's being bend psychically, then there would be no need to touch the spoon at all, right?
 
Please don't waste bandwidth. You will have the courtesy to behave yourself in my thread or you will be reported for breaking the rules of the board. Thankyou.
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Yes Dr Adequate, Cynical s absolutely right - you very nearly crashed the internet with your post. How selfish you are.

You should be grateful to Cynical. Up until now I didn't know that if you posted a thread you 'owned' it. Cynical has taught me a useful fact.

I'm off now to revisit to some threads I started in order to make empty threats about reporting people who disagree with me and ask me for evidence I can't provide.

It sounds like fun.
 
De'Ville's Advocaat said:
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Wrt the evidence. It has simply not been dubunked...
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The evidence I've seen has. Got anything new for us?

De'Ville's Advocaat said:
and there is too much of it to claim coincidence anymore.
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No, not unless you've got a peer-reviewed study up your sleeve.

De'Ville's Advocaat said:
My point is that some cannot even accept the reality of its existence,
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I'd be happy to accept that reality, if it were in fact the reality. But there's nothing to back that particular position up. Should we believe in it for fun?

De'Ville's Advocaat said:
Whichi s perhaps why this thread deteriated so quickly.
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Oh no, it's because you've said nothing new, earth-shattering, or thought-provoking. It's quite cliche, really. Judging from the responses, I daresay many here are just sick of hearing the same thing, over and over again...

But that's just a guess.


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Personally I found Dr. A's spaz attack most amusing. :p

I'm a bit confused about memetic reality and critical mass, but if you understand it, there is a worthwhile cause at onlyloveprevails.com. :confused:

As for things only being real to you if you already believe them - inside the Matrix there is no spoon.

Out here in reality - the spoon doesn't care what you want to believe.

:cs: Smilies are fun
 
LotusMegami said:

As for things only being real to you if you already believe them - inside the Matrix there is no spoon.

Out here in reality - the spoon doesn't care what you want to believe.
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Inside the Matrix the spoon counts as real, whether there is one or not. As long as you can hold it in your hand and see it, anyway.
 
Sanamas said:
Can't you guys at least make a token effort to be polite?

De'ville, I am and will remain skeptical of psi until it is readily demonstrated in a self apparent way that rules out mundane causes and trickery.

For example, with the spoon bending you mentioned, it would need to be done in a way that rules out any sort of trickery or bending through normal means. Thus, the bending would have to occur without the spoon being touched, and the spoon can't have been handled before the demonstration began. If it's being bend psychically, then there would be no need to touch the spoon at all, right?
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Wrong. You are asking for something which is not being claimed.

With spoon bending the belief is that force bends the spoon, hence I've seen children do just that, they believe that by using their hands to bend the bowl they can therefore crumple the bowl. In fact, scientifically, they can't without damaging their hands. But they do, regardless because they believe they can do it. An arch-skeptic will never do this, because he already believes that the scientific method says that it is impossible to crumple bowls with sheer physical force, not without bruising or bursting the skin that is.

If you need any proof about the belief mind-set, you need only look at the experimenter effect, now called the Wiseman effect. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2320/is_1_67/ai_104657311

I suggest that skeptics are beating their heads against the wall as long as they are not able to accept alternate realities to those which predominate their existing psychological makeup.
 
Newbie like you are really boring because you bring stuff that have been discuss again and agin on the forum ad nauseam.

Did you even read the topic about PK Party before posting?

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43384

Originally posted by De'Ville's Advocaat If you need any proof about the belief mind-set, you need only look at the experimenter effect, now called the Wiseman effect. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2320/is_1_67/ai_104657311
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Same comments. You really think we are dummies if you thought we don't know about the experimenter effect...

There is even a topic about it in the "Skepdic", so probably every single sceptic in the world knows about it:

http://www.skepdic.com/experimentereffect.html

I mean, read a little bit of the forum about posting things like that. Your not really credible for the moment, AT ALL!!!
 
Interesting Ian said:
He's talking about the scientific evidence.
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And no scientific evidence has been provided. Not in this thread, not in any peer-reviewed scientific magazines, and basically nowhere at all. Your point is?
 
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