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Search Engine Censorship

I just find it weird that I was being concidered and upstanding moral person, because I was not looking for bomb making instructions of kiddy porn. As I pointed out you can get into areas concidered obsenity on film and illegal in many areas and not get any blocked sites on google.

Yeah, I find that a little odd, too.

(I was joking about the 'upstanding' thing...)

Let's face it, though - Google is a true American icon, and as such, only bows to political and legal pressures. Notice it takes a 'legal request' for them to ban as much as they do here?

Ya gotta love the corporatocracy of America...
 
Also, that "Chilling Effects" thing looks like it's more about copyrights, rather than obscenity or something like that. I don't, however, see how a search engine could be violating intellectual property law.
 
Yeah, I find that a little odd, too.

(I was joking about the 'upstanding' thing...)

Let's face it, though - Google is a true American icon, and as such, only bows to political and legal pressures. Notice it takes a 'legal request' for them to ban as much as they do here?

Well as I have no reason to think that they have any person involved in vetting their lists, they need a complaint to find out about it. Also disseminating certain things is illegal, and they need to protect themselves against american laws just like they need to protect themselves against chinese laws.
 
Well as I have no reason to think that they have any person involved in vetting their lists, they need a complaint to find out about it. Also disseminating certain things is illegal, and they need to protect themselves against american laws just like they need to protect themselves against chinese laws.

Well, yeah, that's true - highly unlikely any person (or even team of people) could successfully maintain order in that database. And dropping forbidden keywords is a bad bad BAD idea...

On the other hand, if I understand correctly, search engines can't really get in trouble for displaying search results, under most circumstances; the fault for any illegal material lies with the websites themselves. But I might be wrong.

(In fact, I'm probably wrong... I've misunderstood the intent and purpose of copyright law for most of my life, apparently. The whole 'file sharing' issue made me realize I have no idea what copyright laws were really meant for... apparently)
 
Well, yeah, that's true - highly unlikely any person (or even team of people) could successfully maintain order in that database. And dropping forbidden keywords is a bad bad BAD idea...

On the other hand, if I understand correctly, search engines can't really get in trouble for displaying search results, under most circumstances; the fault for any illegal material lies with the websites themselves. But I might be wrong.

That is probably true, as long as they are unaware of it, hence the notification process
 
That is probably true, as long as they are unaware of it, hence the notification process


So does this count as 'censorship', even in some extended definition?

Considering the different social and political context in China, censoring out websites that feature such concepts as 'democracy' and 'freedom of speech' might be seen as comparable to censoring websites that feature copyright-violation processes or questionable material in the U.S. It's a different state of being, basically...

Of course, it's that very state of being, that philosophical framework, that we Americans would challenge. We see these sorts of freedoms as a basic, indeed THE basic, human right; they see it as an inconvenience.

Completely off-topic for a moment - the public business smoking ban is about to go into effect here, and one of the local bars is throwing a 'Last Night of Personal Freedom' bash/smoke-a-thon this weekend... Should we be outraged at losing the right to light up in public, I wonder? On the one hand, second hand smoke is an undeniable hazard, and 'designated smoking areas' were a pathetic attempt at giving people clean air areas... but on the other, well, people have smoked for thousands of years, damn the consequences; how easy will it be to systematically erase what's been a core cultural phenomenon for thousands of years?

Personally this doesn't affect me - I only smoke a pipe, in the privacy of my own home; but I smoke on the front porch, and I wonder how long it'll be before smoking outdoors is banned, too... :D

OK, sorry for that tangent.
 

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