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Scriptural literacy

Arthur Denton said:
What is the point of posting such questions on a discussion forum anyway, if you don't want to argument, but to be recognized? He should make another kind of event, like... a congress of people who're right about the bible or something. A christian congress, or something.

See, Rad, my opinion is also that you should be able to accept the hacking once you wield the sword, I mean, you're in a discussion forum, you know you'll be discussed once placing an idea. It is only weird when people post something and everyone agrees. That's not a discussion forum, that's a commitment forum, or what the hell, I don't know what would that be.

Peace, man!
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Some valid points. Hiding behind scriptural literacy it seems to me is a red herring and demonstrates a certain degree of dissonance. I can't help but wonder what it is that cause Radrook such unease about this subject?

I'm not trying to earn Radrook's contempt and I realize that I'm making it difficult for him. I'm sorry about that.
 
Radrook said:
1. Ignoring or denying context

Claim: Work itself was punishment since prior to sin Adam was not to labor.

Context Fact: Adam is told to tend the Garden and subdue the earth as well as care for the animals.

Claim: Sex was the original sin

Context Fact: God created the sexual organs to be used to fill the earth. Adam and eve were instructed to have sex.
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I realize these are just examples to illustrate a point but I can't imagine these arguments being presented in this forum or any other skeptical/atheist forum. There's no support in the text for these claims, regardless of context or denial thereof.


On the topic of context: Why is it that whenever a direct reading of scripture results in an absurdity, the first defense is that it was taken out of context? Why is the context of this book so hard to pin down? Why does it never mean what it appears to say?

I think this may be the answer...

Context: The Bible is the inerrant word of the all powerful, all loving, perfectly moral, perfectly just God.​
Any reading to the contrary must have been taken out of context. If this concept makes no sense to you it is because the human mind is incapable of understanding God's infinite wisdom.
 
Toke said:
That sounds ineffable, at least you lost me.
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(assuming this was directed at post #82. Otherwise please disregard)​


My quote edited to comply with Poe's law:
Phase Inverter said:
I think this may be the answer...

Context: The Bible is the inerrant word of the all powerful, all loving, perfectly moral, perfectly just God.​
Any reading to the contrary must have been taken out of context. If this concept makes no sense to you it is because the human mind is incapable of understanding God's infinite wisdom. :) ;) :rolleyes:
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The point was that context is used to explain away every difficulty. Even when actual context within the text doesn't suffice, the ultimate context (see above) comes in to save the day.
 
Thank you.
Your ultimate context theori* can explain the argumentation of all the christian fractions I have seen.


*this is not a spelling error
 
Radrook said:
Tactics of the godless

Thread-deviation attempts via straw man in order to bring in irrelevancies.

Unjustifiable self-proclaimed expertise.

Last resort chortling, and heckling,

Mutual admiration commentary

Irrelevant personality-type insults

Irrelevant group-type insults

Immediate thread-deviation accusations wnen insults are responded to.

thread-deviating insults.

Presentation of scientific credentials and logic as proof of atheistic ideas while:

Ignoring scientific credentials of those who believe or consider ID feasible.

Ignoring scientific credentials of those who believe in God

Ignoring common logic if it threatens godless beliefs

Blatant self-contradictions in logic in support of atheistic ideas

Appeals to bandwagon fallacy

Use of Equivocation

Feigning incomprehension to justify crass misrepresentations via misstatements of opposing view.

Split from this thread.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles
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Tactics of the Godly
Throwing up a long list of allegations about the Godless, without even one example to back them up.

Insistence that any reading of the Bible that does not suit their own spin is "illiterate"
 
Since a certain someone seems to have fled this thread, I thought I'd drive the final nail in the coffin with my first ever attempt at a JREF poem. It came to me while I was out running my errands today, so it's nothing too fancy.

The Apologist's Rod:

I'm lecturing all you godless heathens because
You clearly don't grasp simple biblical laws.
You can drone on and heckle and jeckle and jeer
But to my expertise, no skeptic comes near.
You don't stand in any position to refute me
I'm a martyr like Jesus when you persecute me.
You need to sit down, shut up and just nod along.
I'm higher than God, since I can never be wrong!

With my finely honed critical-thinking skills
I assert that it's moral whenever God kills
Or commits genocide, or cleaves life and limb.
As creator it's God's right to destroy on a whim.
Those who were slaughtered are sleeping, not dead
Be they infants or children or pregnant women unwed.
Human life doesn't flow in only one direction.
The dead are suspended and await resurrection!

The Bible was meant to be interpreted one way
Which always happens to be exactly as I say.
My credentials are solid. I studied for years
By chanting to myself with my fingers in ears.
It's not worth it to respond when people disagree
With my infallible source, which happens to be me.
I demand utter silence while I'm here to denote
My beliefs, which I'll whip out and shove down your throat.

If you don't contradict me, then we'll get along fine
When I say I believe in intelligent design.
There are things "Happy Accidents" can never explain
Like the meaning of life, or my vestigial brain.
Science can't be trusted. What has it ever done?
Aside from medicine or computers that run.
To not see the truth, you'd need to be an idiot.
The answer to everything is always "God did it"!

What I say is so basic, English simple and plain
To the point where I shouldn't still have to explain.
The Bible is like chess, every game has its rules
Which must be played MY way, for I won't suffer fools.
All the strawmen, and insults, and hypocrisy
Are your doing, not mine, as anyone can see.
The fact that you resort to this verbal assault
Only proves I was right, so I win by default!

You heretics have some nerve, maligning my God.
When I thrust him at you with my Apologist's Rod.
You're supposed to bend over or get on your knees.
So I can wail God over your heads as I please.
But it's predictable now, and to be expected
Whenever my ironclad beliefs get rejected.
My time is too precious to waste on drivel. Le sigh!
So I'm putting you all on my ignore list. Goodbye!
 
Ah, great poem! *applause* :D

Just a random thought...

If gathering sticks counts as work, then gathering stones should too.
So if you gather stones on a sabbath to stone someone for working on a sabbath then you should also be stoned for working on the sabbath. And whoever stones you for working on the sabbath must first gather up stones... and so on.
 
Tactics of the Godly
Throwing up a long list of allegations about the Godless, without even one example to back them up.
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All you have to do is read in here.
 
Where is it in the bible that the stoning of a man for gathering sticks on the Sabbath has been Rescinded. Where is it in the bible that owning a slave has been Rescinded. Where is it that the 613 commandments have been Rescinded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot

Paul

:) :) :)
 
edge said:
All you have to do is read in here.
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I have been reading in here for as long as you. Radrook's list seems completely unrepresentative. If you guys would only give some example.

Are the unbelievers here less biblically literate than the believers? Doubtful. Take for example Radrook's claim that the Bible does not support the idea of Hell as an eternal punishment.

So when he comes out with a list of general scattergun insults with not the slightest attempt to show example or evidence, then I am not the slightest bit impressed.

And I am not impressed with your supporting him while evading my challenge to show examples.
 
Paulhoff said:
Where is it in the bible that the stoning of a man for gathering sticks on the Sabbath has been Rescinded.
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Mark 2

Mark said:
23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."

27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
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Paulhoff said:
So eating is the same as gathering sticks.

Paul

:) :) :)
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LOL :D

no,

ROFLMAO!

But yes, same thing I have thought about it. The example is not literal, it does kind of say that there's something like a complacency about it, but not a freedom to do it, nor a "work on sabbath dammit" and honestly, I am quite confused. With where's the permission.
 
Robin said:
Are the unbelievers here less biblically literate than the believers?
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Oh, goody. Another Bible literacy thread.

I love these.

Just posting to subscribe. I don't have time to catch up right now, but I'll check in to see where the discussion goes.

Maybe I'll have something to add.

Looking forward to it.
 
Paulhoff said:
So eating is the same as gathering sticks.

Paul

:) :) :)
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The activity the Pharisees complained of was not eating, it was picking grain. I think the operative part here is "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath".
 
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