Scottish independence how likely is it?

Darat said:
If based on the Irish example - however the English & Welsh want it to be.

If based on international law - however the English & Welsh want it to be - we've got the armed forces.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Scotland's_oil

It's debatable either way, but from the article Scotland does indeed legally own the majority of North Sea Oil. Of course the article may not be correct.

*edit* There's also the SNP site (http://www.snp.org/policies/economicgrowth/oil/view?searchterm=oil) but obviously it's not exactly a balanced view.

Scotland legally owns a portion of the British Armed forces too.
 
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there doesn't seem much on the web - apart from the SNP side of the argument....maybe the other side's keeping quiet because there isn't much of a case? :)

some info....

UK offshore

The UK Continental Shelf (UKCS) comprises those areas of the seabed and beneath the seabed, beyond territorial waters, over which the UK exercises sovereign rights of exploration and exploitation of mineral resources.

The Crown Estate owns about 55% of the foreshore (between mean high and mean low water) and approximately half of the beds of estuaries and tidal rivers in the UK. It also owns the seabed within territorial waters (12 mile limit), including the rights to explore for and exploit minerals in the remainder of the UKCS, with exception of oil, gas and coal. These rights are managed by the Crown Estate Commissioners and currently comprise marine dredged sand and gravel, potash and salt. The Department of Trade and Industry grants petroleum licences to explore for and exploit oil and natural gas resources on the UKCS and the Coal Authority grants licences for coal exploration and extraction.
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http://www.bgs.ac.uk/mineralsuk/planning/legislation/uk_minown.html

if it's the Crown Estate, that would imply Betty is involved somehow....and she's ours!
 
Darat said:
Oh I'm sure the SNP site information will be well balanced.... I mean they've no agenda or anything.
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Of course not :)

Darat said:
Doesn't mater they owe their allegiance to QEII :)
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Well as I understand it Scotland owns a portion of the tanks, guns, etc, used by the British army, so we'd be left with a lot of equipment but no one to use it :confused: (except perhaps some individuals from Glasgow, who have probably been joyriding in a tank)

*edit* http://www.snp.org/policies/international-affairs/copy_of_index_html

The SNP site again...
 
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Cheesejoff said:
Well as I understand it Scotland owns a portion of the tanks, guns, etc, used by the British army, so we'd be left with a lot of equipment but no one to use it :confused: (except perhaps some individuals from Glasgow, who have probably been joyriding in a tank)
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Why would we have no-one to use it? I wasn't aware that Scots were underrepresented in the armed forces.
 
Jaggy Bunnet said:
Who?

The current queen is the only queen of the UK to bear the name Elizabeth, therefore she is plain old queen liz.
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Nope her title is Lizzie the 2nd - a bit like there was a King of the country that choose to title himself James the 1st even though some parts of the union had already had a few Kings called our Jimmie.

They are a law to themselves - you'd think they owned the place the way they behave.
 
Darat said:
Nope her title is Lizzie the 2nd - a bit like there was a King of the country that choose to title himself James the 1st even though some parts of the union had already had a few Kings called our Jimmie.

They are a law to themselves - you'd think they owned the place the way they behave.
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Try putting it on a Royal Mail van or postbox in Scotland and see what happens. ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_box

"After several pillar boxes were blown up..."
 
Even though she is not the second Queen named Elizabeth to rule the UK, Darat is correct as he is talking about the situation after independence, when she would be QEII of England.

She is also QEII of Australia, even though we never had a QEI. I have never heard of an Australian getting peeved by this.
 
andyandy said:
if it's the Crown Estate, that would imply Betty is involved somehow....and she's ours!
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But if the UK was dissolved then presumably the seabed would be divvied up accordingly, with the bit around Scotland falling under Scottish control.

There seems to be a feeling in the air that the SNP are going to walk this election. I have a suspicion that Salmond could be heading for a Kinnock moment. And I don't mean that his wife is going to push him into the sea.
 
richardm said:
But if the UK was dissolved then presumably the seabed would be divvied up accordingly, with the bit around Scotland falling under Scottish control.
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Well if there's nothing valuable there then that would seem fair enough.

richardm said:
There seems to be a feeling in the air that the SNP are going to walk this election. I have a suspicion that Salmond could be heading for a Kinnock moment. And I don't mean that his wife is going to push him into the sea.
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Either would do me... is it true that the measure of oily, smarmy smugness is called the "Salmond"?


:)
 
Darat said:
Well if there's nothing valuable there then that would seem fair enough.



Either would do me... is it true that the measure of oily, smarmy smugness is called the "Salmond"?


:)
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No, your thinking of the Kennedy (and there's a man who knows a lot about measures, most of them doubles!)
 
Jaggy Bunnet said:
No, your thinking of the Kennedy (and there's a man who knows a lot about measures, most of them doubles!)
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Ah the great British public.

Which would you rather vote for ? A party led by an alcoholic who appeared on lots of quiz shows or a party led by a sober politician interested in policy....
 
Darat said:
If based on the Irish example - however the English & Welsh want it to be.

If based on international law - however the English & Welsh want it to be - we've got the armed forces.
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Ever heard of Northern Ireland and the Royal Regiment of somewhere north of the border (whatever they're called now)?
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
Ever heard of Northern Ireland and the Royal Regiment of somewhere north of the border (whatever they're called now)?
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I think we can leave NI out of any future negotiations on Scottish independence - they have not exactly set a good example of how to go about it have they? Anyway they are all going to be too busy trying to arrange that Catholic sewage doesn't run under Protestant areas for the next few years.

And as I said as long as the QEII is afloat I believe the youthful phrase is "all your forces belong to us" - granted if the matter comes up and she's been succeeded by Charlie-boy I don't think anyone would expect the forces to keep an oath to him. Mind you we've had mad kings in the past and things didn't seem much worse.

In fact I've just had an epiphany - I will be rabid supporter of Scottish "independence" tomorrow if they'd take the Royal family - and I'm sure it would please them after all they seem to spend most of their time up with the Scottish anyway.
 
Well then; If Scotland gains independence, and then if the Welsh and Cornish national movements are successful, we are left with the question:
"Is England ready for self government?"
 
Darat said:
In fact I've just had an epiphany - I will be rabid supporter of Scottish "independence" tomorrow if they'd take the Royal family - and I'm sure it would please them after all they seem to spend most of their time up with the Scottish anyway.
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Not sure we'd want the buggers:

http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiWEEGERM.html

Or the other lot, now that I think of it...

[ slopes off to haul down Saltire]
 
Pope130 said:
Well then; If Scotland gains independence, and then if the Welsh and Cornish national movements are successful, we are left with the question:
"Is England ready for self government?"
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Well historically England's record of being able to govern itself is not that great... perhaps we could then suggest a something - I don't know call it a "union" with the other people that share the same group of islands?
 
A union? It'll never catch on.

Edited to add: A flyer for the BNP has just been delivered, insisting that there's a real possibility that a BNP MSP can be elected here. Which sounds like the height of optimism to me. At least, I hope it is.
 
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