Yeah, with Chris Gallavin. He gets everything wrong except screwing taxpayer for a lazy million.
He said Pora was owed 6 to 10 million after being put up in a hotel for 20 years, and Watson is a miscarriage of justice. Crap and crap.
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He said Pora was owed 6 to 10 million after being put up in a hotel for 20 years, and Watson is a miscarriage of justice. Crap and crap.
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I have to confess I find the disconnect between your attitudes toward Teina Pora and Oscar Pistorius hysterically funny.
Frustration with Lundy being vented. 5 law schools vomiting graduates and not a peep about the greatest MOJ in NZ history, but Pora becomes a hard done by folk hero. Tim McKinnel was employed by Lundy and did the bare minimum, nothing without being paid, yet crawled for that miscreant.
Gallavin is just plain wrong and being well paid accordingly.
Watson was torn to shreds in IW's books, it's a pity the clever dicks won't read them. I was reluctant to because he is so wrong on evolution and religion. I have learned a lesson, take everything at well intentioned face value and assess accordingly. Have you read the arresting interview with Scott Watson? He gets totalled. I am in no way surprised he refused to testify at trial. Note that Thomas Tamihere Bain and Lundy did, until they found it doesn't get through the lies the wily prosecutors have poisoned the juries with.
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Ian Watson is a known liar and conspiracist. I wouldn't read a word he's written and sure as hell would not pay the slimy little git. He'd be our very own Alex Jones if as many Kiwis were as bonkers as Yanks are.
Ian Wishart.
There you go down the rabbit hole.
Wishart goes straight to crime scenes and first witness statements, then uses plain logic to analyse Watson and Tamihere. He is unassailable in these cases.
Gallivan is a fraud.
The important point is Wishart gets Hope and Smart onto a boat with low rails at about 5 am. They are never seen again.
He shows how Tamihere's story is unassailable similarly, he gets him to a car with camping gear and other possessions in the back, onto the road and giving tiki tours for tourists in exchange for basic accommodation for a couple of days, then off to Auckland in the car to abandon, and pawn the goods at Harmony House.
Did that high IQ Maori leave a dead body whose name was registered with LTSA near Whangamata in that scenario?
Polling on kiwiblog shows 80% believers, yet we call Wishart a knave?
You seriously disappoint me Atheist.
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I know nothing about Gallivan, so whatever he's said or written is immaterial.
Wishart might even be right, but I don't care - he's a moron CTist. Nobody outside his coterie of like-minded morons reads anything he says - apart from you, it seems.
Atheist, you are far better than this. You are literate, well read and sane.
Why resort to this diatribe?
Probably because Wisharts and opportunistic idiot.
Look at dirty politics.
Published by one of the greens biggest donors.
Just to coincide with our fat German friends moment of truth
Which turned out to be fizzle
He is a leech. Not a journalist
I think you are confusing Wishart with Nikki Hagar, Cullen.
The mistake made all the time is to not examine the source material.
It is impossible to read the following books carefully without concluding the authors are correct in their findings.
I list them.
1. The Final Chapter by Chris Birt.
The conclusion is that Len Demler forged his wife's signature, Jeanette discovered this on visiting the family lawyer, called Len to confront him, so he came to the house to which he had open access, as father and neighbour, shot Harvey in the back of the head, then bludgeoned Jeanette breaking her skull, reloaded the one bullet 22, and shot her in the head. With Norma, who later got plenty of money, dumped the bodys in the Waikato river, to which there was direct access. Norma fed the baby.
2. Missing Pieces by Ian Wishart.
The conclusion is that Huia George Foley gathered the kids and the car, took them near Whangamata and killed Hoglin by stabbing, left him after failing to saw his head off with a knife. Heidi's fate unknown. Foley abandoned the car where Tamihere found it, the rest follows.
3. Trial by Ambush by Joe Karam.
This catalogues how the police failed to discover that Robin Bain was violating Laniet like others, and was confronted one dismal sunday night. Laniet and her mother raided a cash machine, and went to bed after the row. Robin stayed up drinking coffee and keeping the fire burning. When David left the house for his paper round, Robin put on the white stage gloves, took David's semi auto 22 and shot the family as efficiently as an experienced gunman could. Stephen fought back, Robin's hands became bloodied, but he managed to kill him.
With 4 dead bodies, and repenting at leisure, Robin turned on the computer when actions must precede words, typed "You are the only one who deserved to stay" then shot himself.
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Hello Michael, nice(not) to meet you.
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For Kiwis on this forum, there will be a two-hour documentary on the Scott Watson case on TV1 at 8:30 pm Sunday night
As for Ian Wishart, the guy is an opportunist asshat to whom I would not give the time of day.
I don't believe the conclusions he has come to in his book on the Watson case. In order to believe that Watson is guilty, you have to also believe that a whole bunch of eye-witnesses including the bar staff at Furnaux Lodge, the highly experienced water taxi driver Guy Wallace, and all the people who were with Watson on the Mina Cornelia are all lying or mistaken.
Well that would not put them on the Blade.
The Blade had high rails with a low freeboard. The Mystery ketch was reported by Guy Wallace as having a high freeboard with low rails.
As for Ian Wishart, the guy is an opportunist asshat to whom I would not give the time of day.
I don't believe the conclusions he has come to in his book on the Watson case. In order to believe that Watson is guilty, you have to also believe that a whole bunch of eye-witnesses including the bar staff at Furnaux Lodge, the highly experienced water taxi driver Guy Wallace, and all the people who were with Watson on the Mina Cornelia are all lying or mistaken.
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Well that would not put them on the Blade.
The Blade had high rails with a low freeboard. The Mystery ketch was reported by Guy Wallace as having a high freeboard with low rails.
I guess I will have to get the ebook Elementary 2 and post some stuff.
The initial witness statements are pretty compelling, as is the arest interview. I am sorry for a few people like Keith Hunter who have invested in this case, but that is the way I see it.
Wishart is sound on Watson and Tamihere regardless of his meagre fan club.
The secret witness though can expect a perjury prosecution taken by Arthur Taylor following the expected conviction of double killer witness C who ably assisted that criminal John Hughes to destroy Tamihere and his family, after destroying Artrhur Thomas and his family.
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What diatribe? Wishart has proven time and time again he's a liar and conspiracist. He is a nothing outside of conspiracist circles and I would immediately discount anything he says.
If he's ever right, it's simple stopped clock syndrome. He isn't capable of logic or reaching a reasonable conclusion.
What I'm better than is Ian Wishart. He actually came to a forum I was at once upon a time.
He is a sleazy little bottom-feeding scumbag. Christ, I'd rather go nightclubbing with Nigel Latta (whom I utterly detest) than spend 30 seconds with Wishart.
What?
If you're using some kind of code, it went right by me. Are you another Wishart fan? I hope you buy his books - the bloke's a bit down on his money these days. Lost a few bob on Helen Clark, so I hear.
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He's tootin' his own horn in the comment section of amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-...f=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B01ASUG3WK
Look how I bested that nobody Keith Hunter!
And Elementary 2.0:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...refRID=B9Q3WMGAGEXPBAYXNFCK#reader_B01F0R5SJK
shows mystery ketch
I can't see why there is a wilful disregard for Wishart on this thread, I don't believe a word of Intelligent Design, but that is irrelevant. I have read all the initial WSes in both books, and these are what should be discussed. Wishart is the messenger, so why shoot him?
I try to read everything to unravel these cases, and no service is done to the primary outstanding Lundy and Tamihere hoaxes while refusing to examine evidence in Watson.
I wish he was innocent for his dad's sake, but history should be correctly recorded. That is how we learn.
Disappointing to say the least.
ETA I am half way through the Teina Pora book, and I must say God Help New Zealand if Amy Adams becomes prime minister. She is a liar of the first order, along with Collins and Key in their public statements saying the system is working. It is not, it is a total disaster. They are lucky, no one who supports them cares. I find myself hoping their kids get arrested as innocents. Nothing less will move these Madames Defarge.
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Watson may well have committed the murders. But with an accomplice? Who was not corroborated by other testimony? Now he's using the same logic as everyone he derides. Here:
http://www.investigatemagazine.co.n...isking-an-agenda-driven-review-of-elementary/
btw. Keith Hunter responded to you:
http://nostalgia-nz.blogspot.com/2016/02/wisharts-book-elementary-not-so-much.html#comment-form
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I posted a review by Charlie Wilkes to Nostalgia's blog also, who called Wishart's conclusions BS.
I've spoken to all of them, and my views remain unchanged, Nostalgia knows what I think.
Mike Kallaugher is also a supporter of Watson, and Mike White a supporter of press access to prisoners, which is a disgraceful element in New Zealand justice, which frankly relies heavily on a fog of apathy and couldn't care less as long as its someone elses family being demolished.
Are you an NZer?
The court of appeal in New Zealand is soon going to be called to account for a dozen false sanctifications of rogue verdicts. These judges have brazenly breached professional ethics to support cabinet, the status quo, and the thugs in the private clubs they rely on for mutual adulation..
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He is a liar.
He promotes conspiracies.
He lies consistently.
He is anti-fluoride.
He has no interest or understanding of "truth".
He is an anti-vaxer.
His is a huge liar.
I can give you more if you like.