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Scott Watson

smartcooky said:


"There are also lessons for the public. With the pressure placed upon police to "find their man" it is no wonder that on occasion "blue vision" occurs.

"Blue vision" was coined by Dr Jarrod Gilbert and refers to the tendency of the police to sometimes work back from a pre-determined outcome rather than to work toward a theory from the evidence gathered."

This could apply to any number of cases where the Police have looked for evidence they thought would convict they suspect (or planted evidence if they couldn't find what they wanted), while intentionally ignoring (and sometime actively suppressing) exculpatory evidence.


Arthur Allan Thomas
Peter Ellis
Teina Pora
Mark Lundy

There is no doubt whatsoever for anyone who is willing to research this case, that the Police decided early on that Scott Watson did it, and then arranged arrange the evident to suit.
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And quite possibly the case of Angelika Graswald; damn all evidence and police (and prosecutors) trying to fit facts to their view of what happened.
 
catsmate said:
And quite possibly the case of Angelika Graswald; damn all evidence and police (and prosecutors) trying to fit facts to their view of what happened.
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Excuse me for asking, not being a mod or actually care how off-topic that is, but what the hell does that have to do with anything?

People are stupid and bigoted everywhere?

This is not news.
 
You'd really like to think whoever the Minister is wouldn't make a difference to the courts.

I don't think we've gone that far down the left-hand path, have we?
 
The Atheist said:
You'd really like to think whoever the Minister is wouldn't make a difference to the courts.

I don't think we've gone that far down the left-hand path, have we?
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Cleared of wrongdoing in the Oravida affair or not, Collins has a reputation for getting what she wants and squashing anyone who crosses her.

I consider her to be one of NZ's least trustworthy government ministers. She towed the Policed line over Watson and other cases as Justice minister, and I have no doubt whatsoever that as Police minister she would bring pressure to bear on Amy Adams to stonewall over Watson et al..

Just look at her appalling actions in regard to the Teina Pora case; she made things as difficult as she possibly could in that case, only acting when the evidence of Pora's innocence was so conclusive that she could not possibly keep ignoring it.
 
smartcooky said:
Cleared of wrongdoing in the Oravida affair or not, Collins has a reputation for getting what she wants and squashing anyone who crosses her.

I consider her to be one of NZ's least trustworthy government ministers. She towed the Policed line over Watson and other cases as Justice minister, and I have no doubt whatsoever that as Police minister she would bring pressure to bear on Amy Adams to stonewall over Watson et al..

Just look at her appalling actions in regard to the Teina Pora case; she made things as difficult as she possibly could in that case, only acting when the evidence of Pora's innocence was so conclusive that she could not possibly keep ignoring it.
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Her work on the Bain compensation is unethical and plain criminal. A concerted drive to expose Miss Piggy is required. She deserves emails her office must pretend she has read firing specific questions. New Zealanders should be appalled by this and National should be buried. David Seymour is my Mp and rang me back when I queried the Lundy debacle. Watson of course is toast with deputy dawn English stating categorically "the matter has been dealt with."
 
smartcooky said:
Cleared of wrongdoing in the Oravida affair or not, Collins has a reputation for getting what she wants and squashing anyone who crosses her.
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She does indeed, but I still have confidence the courts will not be affected by her or any other political appointment.

She can try, she can bully, but so far she hasn't managed to make a difference.

Samson said:
Her work on the Bain compensation is unethical and plain criminal.
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And outside the jurisdiction of the courts. Anyway, Baino's guilty, so in that case I see her as doing something right.

Samson said:
A concerted drive to expose Miss Piggy is required. She deserves emails her office must pretend she has read firing specific questions.
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Emails? What are emails supposed to achieve?

Exposing her as a crook has been tried and failed.

Samson said:
New Zealanders should be appalled by this and National should be buried.
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As you might have noticed, Key's poll results haven't moved. Very, very few people even think about any of these cases, far fewer care, infinitely fewer would have their vote swayed by them.

Samson said:
David Seymour is my Mp and rang me back when I queried the Lundy debacle.
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Seymour is a vulture after any scraps he can find.

But good luck with ACT. If anything, I'd rate them much worse than National. Charter schools alone have damned them for all time.

Samson said:
Watson of course is toast with deputy dawn English stating categorically "the matter has been dealt with."
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Do you really think Catholic Bill has any influence on the court system?

I'm very sure he does not.
 
smartcooky said:
Bain is one case that I am really not sure about.

I have posted my response in the David Nain thread so as not to derail this one


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10921983#post10921983
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I am reading Trial by trickery but have read Trial by ambush. Both books are impossible to write if defending a guilty man is the aim.

I am a little surprised in our disgracefully insipid and obsequious country Keith Hunter got away with writing facts.
 
Atheist, don't have a heart attack

Publisher Ian Wishart says a new book will finally solve the infamous Marlborough Sounds murder case.

Wishart will next week publish the book, Elementary -- The Explosive File on Scott Watson and the Disappearance of Ben and Olivia. The book looks at the disappearance of Ben Smart, 21, and Olivia Hope, 17, in the Marlborough Sounds on New Year's Day, 1998.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11578710
 
Samson said:
Atheist, don't have a heart attack

Publisher Ian Wishart says a new book will finally solve the infamous Marlborough Sounds murder case.
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Yes, I saw that.

While I consider him to be a lower form of life than a gonorrhea bacteria, I can only admire his ability to garner publicity.

How many front-page stories have you seen in the past year on the subject of a NZ book being released?

I'm sure Ian will be as accurate as always.
 
My guess is he will unearth a drug connection. It is difficult to imagine an alternative. A very close likeness to the ketch was seen in Port douglas soon after by a witness I consider very good, who unfortunately had no camera. No smart phones then.
I imagine they were drugged and woke to find themselves at sea. Or maybe just Olivia Hope woke.
 
The problem remains that the ketch was seen everywhere for days after. I don't get it, surely you get outta town asap. One conclusion might be there were two ketches, one that was seen leaving at 6 30am from Endeavour inlet and heading straight for Australia with the couple, dead or alive, and another that corresponded to the multiple sightings.
 
Samson said:
The problem remains that the ketch was seen everywhere for days after. I don't get it, surely you get outta town asap. One conclusion might be there were two ketches, one that was seen leaving at 6 30am from Endeavour inlet and heading straight for Australia with the couple, dead or alive, and another that corresponded to the multiple sightings.
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That is a pretty unlikely scenario. The descriptions of the ketch are pretty consistent across the board

The ketch was remarked on as being very unusual in it layout. There was a witness (a boat builder/designer) who was able to describe specific details such as the types of ropes and fittings it had in the rigging. That is not the sort of detail that you would get from a cursory glance.

The chances of the there being two such unusual ketches at Furneaux on the same day is slim. There would have been witnesses who saw them both and that would make it even more difficult for the prosecution to claim (in fact, flat out lie) that there was no ketch at all.
 
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smartcooky said:
That is a pretty unlikely scenario. The descriptions of the ketch are pretty consistent across the board

The ketch was remarked on as being very unusual in it layout. There was a witness (a boat builder/designer) who was able to describe specific details such as the types of ropes and fittings it had in the rigging. That is not the sort of detail that you would get from a cursory glance.

The chances of the there being two such unusual ketches at Furneaux on the same day is slim. There would have been witnesses who saw them both and that would make it even more difficult for the prosecution to claim (in fact, flat out lie) that there was no ketch at all.
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I have no doubt at all thy disappeared on a ketch, but am asking what allowed the owners to brazenly stay in the area. I flat out cannot believe Olivia Hope was seen 5 days later unless she was drugged. Is that the suggestion?
 
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