'zat you, Christophera?
WTC 7 ablaze! (Funny how WTC 7's fire alarm didn't go off until 10:00, and not a single person reported a fire there until after this photo was taken, isn't it?)
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'zat you, Christophera?
WTC 7 ablaze! (Funny how WTC 7's fire alarm didn't go off until 10:00, and not a single person reported a fire there until after this photo was taken, isn't it?)
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The last time I saw this footage was about two or three years ago on the anniversary coverage of 9/11 on the Arab news digest program Mosaic on Link TV. I think Sky News distributed this footage internationally. I hope with the upcoming anniversary they show it again. I think there is a good chance television coverage in the Middle East and Asia may show the footage.
It is apparently being suppressed in this country now, although it was shown often after 9/11.
Blue Monk,
Thanks for providing the large clip. Clearly the object is in front of both towers. However, I am not convinced it is a bird. If the object did not travel in a straight line you might have a good argument. Also, I suspect the object you presented is not in real time: the explosion appears to be in slow-motion. If it is a missile, it appears to have missed WTC 7: the building that I am convinced was hit.
You're missing the point.
The only way to determine the size and speed of an unknown object is to view it from a separate angle.
Since that event was captured from many angles that should be a snap except that it appears in no other view where it clearly should be if it were a missile or anything large.
The only possible explanation for why the object appears in one view yet not another from only a slightly different angle is that the object is small and passed near and in front off only one camera.
The key is not to focus on and analyze only that viewing, but rather to view the other angles and ask yourself why this object is not visible.
The only explaination for something being in one video, and not another is that the government took all of the others and removed it, but they forgot about one. Oops.![]()
How fast is the object moving? Please state how you come to your estimate of its speed.None of you seem to be very analytical. Obviously the object could not be a bird since it was moving too fast. But these little details don’t seem to bother anyone here.
Also, no helicopter flew over the plaza at the time of the second impact. To the best of my knowledge one helicopter was northwest and another one was southwest of the WTC complex.
Where are the critical thinkers?
Gravy,
Take a look at the Naudet video of the crowd of people at Vesey and Church and ask yourself why the video shows a cut a few seconds after the crash of the second plane into WTC 2 and then the cameraman is running north on Church. I believe if the film was not cut you would see the missile explosion into WTC 7. Late you see the white cloud of smoke from the missile strike.
Magz, could you tell us what kind of ATA missile it was? Maybe one I did not highlight in an above post? And explain what damage it would do to a building, other that chips of concrete and some broken windows? Or are you just going to continue to ignore anything that does not fit into your conspiracy theory? I mean now you imply media suppression of something that should be the video of the century (if it was true).
Care to answer any of these?
In the Fox footage, I saw the missile hit in the area of the 14th floor of WTC 7. What was caught on camera as the cameraman fell was not smoke from the impact but instead debris shooting away from the building at an incredible speed. It appeared as if steel beams were flying thru the air. Other than that, I have no idea what type of missile it was.
I should add that at the time–when I first saw the footage a few days after 9/11–I really did not make the connection of the blast being a missile impact. Later on with the Drudge link of the missile was I able to make the connection.
I think the ambiguity of the footage is the reason it was not censored in the early days after 9/11.
Magz, you have many questions here. Might I suggest you take the time to answer each to the best of your ability? Object size, speed, range to target, (supposed) aircraft type, (supposed) ordnance fired, etc.
The F-15s from Otis were the aircraft that fired the missiles.
Hey MaGZ.... Whenever you get around to posting that image of WTC7 on fire before the collapse of WTC2, that'd be swell.