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Sam Danner

american793 said:
Beachnut: I would be more than Happy to tell this whole thing straight to you. I am glad that you want to know.
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Why do you think some people saw a plane like a 757 and you think you saw a small jet?

You need to include your glasses, contacts, 20-20 or 200-10 or what?

If you had been in New York that day and said you saw a small jet; there is visual evidence to prove you wrong; but in the Pentagon there are many witnesses who even typed the plane to the airline. I have see fast moving aircraft and you can identify them very easy by looking; even at 700 mph, you can even see faces (helmets).

Why do you see what is proven wrong by evidence buried in the Pentagon?

Do you have a problem with a plane becoming pieces, people smashed up. I doubt if people parts made it outside the pentagon; last check reality is alive and a body in motion at 500 mph would end up where it was headed after all momentum was spent. That places all the bodies in the pentagon; all smashed into a very small area.

So why did you not find bodies, were you allowed inside the pentagon which burned?

I have noticed on slow speed wrecks, when most the plane is in large piece; after a fire all the luggage and airplane stuff is gone; where does burnt stuff go?

I will have to read all your stuff but which stuff is the correct endorsed by you?

You need to tell your story to support your claim of no 757 at the pentagon.

Does this mean all the other witnesses are wrong?

You need to cover all the ramifications of what this means.


 
The trouble (ahem) is that nearly all of us hold degrees (see another current thread) and expect to see detailed evidence together with a well developed hypothesis; something the 911 truth movement seems to sadly lack. When it finally arrives, I'll be the first to read it closely.
 
american793 said:
T0 Maccy: You will find me on Nine Eleven in the UK. Check me out there. I have a mate named Serge there. Contact Him and you will know. There are Goverment Shills out there alright. 50% of the people At the Pentagon site were Goverment. It is true I am dying of Lymphoma but I am going to persure this issue to my Death. I will be glad to tell the whole story.
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Sorry Sam, I'm not interested in checking you out on another board or in contacting your mate on that board. If you have a case, make it here.
 
geggy said:
Which is why bush ought to be a suspect. If he lied twice about having seen the first plane hit on tv before entering the classroom, then what other things did he lie about. If it was true that he did see the first hit on tv, then how did they know what was coming?
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Why oh why is sarcasm lost on the CTers?
 
I say again that there was 757-300

I Spend a whole hour writiing this story out and I lost whole thing. Lisa Simpson I want to know how many or how much space i have to the whole thing as factual as I can with no Malice or personel Flaming. They was no 757 involved in this deal except for those that want to believe that story.
Sam danner
 
american793 said:
To all of you Aircraft Experts out there. There was no Boeing 757-300 and not one piece of Lugage not one body part,in fact not one Body. I am about to rule out the Gobal Hawk because that is as close to what I saw. The issue about not enough Mass is correct but if the thing were coverted in a cruise missle with enough cordite it could make a huge punch in the structure. Maccy I hope that you are reading this along with Oliver
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Let's try to be precise shall we?

1) AA77 was a 757-223, not a 757-300.
2) All but one of the victims on AA77 was identified by DNA testing from the human remains found inside The Pentagon.
3) Personal possessions of passengers on AA77 were recovered and returned to relatives.
4) Aircraft parts at The Pentagon match a 757.
5) The engine parts recovered do not belong to an AE3007. They belong to an RB211.
6) Cordite is used as a propellant, not in warheads.

-Gumboot
 
beachnut said:
I could not tell if those were people caught in the pentagon fires;
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I believe so. I find it very hard to believe that anyone would be left in recognisable pieces after colliding with a building at 500 MPH.

-Gumboot
 
Bell said:
Why oh why is sarcasm lost on the CTers?
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Trust me I got the sarcasm. Haha look at me I'm laughing. Since you brought it up, it was a good opportunity for me to bring something to the table. Please do tell me what part you don't understand about bush's disturbing behavior that morning. I would have dismissed his quote as an error if he didn't say it twice but only once. Other thing I find disturbing was that he was briefed hundreds of time of an impending airliner hijacking during summer of 2001 and yet he initially thought the first hit was an accident despite him being a former pilot for usaf (although he was discharged due to cocaine being found in his system, he didn't have a lot of experience) and the sky was clear that day. Bush may be dumb, but he's not that dumb. You have to be dumber than him not to understand it. I get it, kooky conspiracy theorists are not supposed to be taken seriously because kyle and stan says so.

FAA opened lines with secret services shortly after the 1st impact, bush, who has the authority to order a shoot down, continued to keep himself out of loop in the classroom with pet goat and during the live briefing to the nation at 930 before the pentagon hit.

Oliver...he said the tv was on and he "saw this plane hitting the tower", implying that he saw the first impact live on tv.
 
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geggy said:
Oliver...he said the tv was on and he "saw this plane hitting the tower", implying that he saw the first impact live on tv.
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Why does that 'imply' that he saw it Live ?

There was no live coverage of the first impact, as far as I am aware. The only footage I have ever seen of the first impact was that shot by the Naudets, and since they were also caught up in that days events, that footage is unlikely to have been carried by any news network until much later.

So, why do you imply from the words of 'dubya' that he witnessed the first impact live on tv when in reality the best he could have seen would have been coverage of the aftermath of the first impact?
 
Geggy, how many times are you going to make the same damn statement?

You don't like how Bush behaved on 9/11. Yoo-hoo! We get it!

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The video evidence of Bush's behavoir only proves there was a stand down by the high officials in the us govt, that's the point I was trying to make.
 
geggy said:
The video evidence of Bush's behavoir only proves there was a stand down by the high officials in the us govt, that's the point I was trying to make.
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Au contraire. To anyone who can extrapolate logically, Bush's "behavoir" that day solidifies the proof that there was no inside conspiracy of any sort. If they had it all planned out, they would have had him doing something terrifically presidential.... Speaking at the UN, welcoming the Hero of the Month to the White House, visiting Arlington, etc.... Or they would have had him right in the Oval Office furiously calling in his top advisors to make grand theatre of the moment.

Instead, they have him sitting in a classroom on a chair that any parent has had to sit on (about three sizes too small), reading about a goat, looking for all the world like he didn't have a clue as to the importance of what was unfolding.

That's some NWO! They sure made the best of that moment!
 
geggy said:
The video evidence of Bush's behavoir only proves there was a stand down by the high officials in the us govt, that's the point I was trying to make.
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Ummm, no it doesn't. It may prove that his behavior is consistent with someone who ordered a stand down, but it doesn't prove that he ordered it. See "Appeal to Motive" in a list of logical fallacies for details.
 
geggy, the same man proclaimed "most of our imports come from overseas" as if this were a revalation.

That GWB is an idiot is a widely held view that is not the exclusive view of those who ascribe to the "911 Truth Movement". IMO he rose to his level of incompetance as Govenor of Texas but really shines as an incompetant in his present position. On 9/11/01 he was a deer in the headlights, frozen into inaction, on auto-pilot sitting in that classroom.

The Secret Service had no reason to move him out of there so it was his call.

American793, are you saying that until now you have never put your theory on computer at all? Here's a hint, while writing, select "save" every 5 paragraphs.

Now you do not have the technological savvy to navigate a word processor on a PC so what would be your technological qualifications to pass a judgement as to what hit the Pentagon?

What is it that you actually do for a living?
 
Foolmewunz said:
Au contraire. To anyone who can extrapolate logically, Bush's "behavoir" that day solidifies the proof that there was no inside conspiracy of any sort. If they had it all planned out, they would have had him doing something terrifically presidential.... Speaking at the UN, welcoming the Hero of the Month to the White House, visiting Arlington, etc.... Or they would have had him right in the Oval Office furiously calling in his top advisors to make grand theatre of the moment.

Instead, they have him sitting in a classroom on a chair that any parent has had to sit on (about three sizes too small), reading about a goat, looking for all the world like he didn't have a clue as to the importance of what was unfolding.

That's some NWO! They sure made the best of that moment!
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B-I-N-G-O

Somehow the fact that Bush sat there, basically catatonic, the fact that Cheney balked at going to the Whitehouse bunker, the fact that Rumsfeld was in his office at the Pentagon all supposedly shows that they were 'in on it".

Bush supposedly did nothing because he knew what was going to happen and wanted it to keep going and was only feigning being a loss as to what to do next. Hmmm, the planners thought that was a good idea rather than have him doing any of the things you list above.

Cheney ran for the shelter only after being ordered there by the secret service. That Cheney was actually trying to get things done from his office supposedly illustrates that he was in on it even though this is the complete opposite of what Bush was doing.

That Rumsfeld was in his office when the Pentagon was hit supposedly illustrates that he was in on it and knew that he was safe on that side of the building. Apparently it never crossed his mind that the super secret missile might not hit exactly where it was supposed to because it never happens that missiles or bombs miss their exact targets.
 
I suspect that geggy will now tell us that the SOP for the Secret Service would have had them bundling Bush out of that classroom.

B.S.

Bush was in no imminent danger in that classroom. If there were a plot to assasinate Bush it would be foolish in the extreme for anyone to try and fly an airliner into that school. It is a small building, very hard to find from the air at 400 MPH and the attackers would really not be able to tell what part of the building Bush was in.

If they had a squad on the ground to attack the school the Secret Service had a much better position from which to await reinforcements by remaining in the school.

If the Secret Service took Bush out of the school where would they go? To AF1? That is a smaller target BUT sits on the tarmac away from other aircraft, it is easily identifiable as AF1 and an aircraft coming into the airport would be completely innocuous until it veered off towards AF1. That is if the possible assasination squad on the ground did not attack Bush's convoy as it left the school.

When they could assertain that the threat was confined to the N.E. and consisting of hijacked airliners they could make the move but it still would be GWB's call, not the Secret Service's. If GWB had decided to instead go to his brother's office or home that's where they would have gone.

There was no reason for the Secret Service to override Presidential perogative on that morning.
 
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