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Sabre engine concept passes key test

Scotland? Unless you're launching to polar orbit, that high latitude is a significant disadvantage.

Depending on the flight profile, you could take off and climb south and execute a turn to change your inclination while still in the atmosphere.

As heavy as a SSTO needs to be at takeoff, climb-out will be slow and there might be the opportunity to do this.

Also a winged true spacecraft can dip into the atmosphere and change oribital inclination and then thrust to re-circularize the orbit.

The Air Force X-37B ought to be capable of this (depending on its fuel stores.)
 
An EM catapult could shorten the takeoff distance considerably.
And of course you leave all its weight behind.
 
Scotland? Unless you're launching to polar orbit, that high latitude is a significant disadvantage.
Depends on what you want your payload to do. Earth observation would probably want a large area covered, this can only be done with high inclination orbits, they also revisit the same area quite rapidly. ISS has an orbital period of just 93 minutes.
 
Bumpety-bump for a related development.


Britain is to build a commercial spaceport that will be used to launch manned missions and commercial satellites. A list of eight locations for the spaceport – which could be used by Virgin Galactic and the US company XCOR to launch space tourism flights – has been drawn up by the government and will be announced on Tuesday at the Farnborough air show.

Another consideration that will affect spaceport plans is the involvement of inventor Alan Bond, whose company Reaction Engines is developing a reusable spaceplane called Skylon which, it is hoped, will be able to take off and land like a plane. The government has already invested £60m in Bond's project. The first flights of Skylon are scheduled to take place before the end of the decade, and the spaceplane could use Britain's new spaceport as its base.
 
http://machrihanish.org/

10,000 feet long enough?

For all your launch needs, come to Scotland.
Yes, the government has started dropping "hints" about a Scottish space port. From the BBC
Ahead of the announcement at this week's Farnborough Airshow, Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander hinted that Scotland could become a key player in the UK government's future plans for developing commercial space travel.
If you're impressed by "hints" from Danny Alexander, good and well. But this "hint" may owe something to the forthcoming independence referendum, who knows?
 
Bumpety-bump for a related development.

New investigation by ESA looking at different payload characteristics has found that the economics of a SABRE based launcher (such as Skylon) 'stack-up'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27591432

Assuming the SABRE engine actually works.

Empty talk about a spaceport isn't actually related to the functionality (or lack thereof) of the SABRE engine.

Speculation about payloads for a hypothetical launch vehicle whose engine hasn't been built yet aren't actually related to the functionality (or lack thereof) of the SABRE engine.

I would like nothing more than for the SABRE engine and Skylon launch vehicle to be made real, and viable, and profitable, and in my lifetime.

Here's hoping the next time this thread is necro'd, it's with actual progress on that.
 
Their engine technology has passed a couple of ESA technical evaluations so it's looking quite promising in that regard.
 
The European Space Agency has conducted several evaluations on behalf of the UK government. For example, in Nov 2012 they evaluated and validated the results of the SABRE engine’s pre-cooler heat exchanger tests, which is a key component of the engine.
 
Assuming the SABRE engine actually works.

Empty talk about a spaceport isn't actually related to the functionality (or lack thereof) of the SABRE engine.

Speculation about payloads for a hypothetical launch vehicle whose engine hasn't been built yet aren't actually related to the functionality (or lack thereof) of the SABRE engine.

I would like nothing more than for the SABRE engine and Skylon launch vehicle to be made real, and viable, and profitable, and in my lifetime.

Here's hoping the next time this thread is necro'd, it's with actual progress on that.
And hopefully at that time some posters will stop acting as a complete arse...

The expected parameters of the engine are actually well known. The main unknown was the pre-cooler, and this has been shown to work. The launch parameters and the options for orbital insertions are well understood.

Discussion of potential launch sites is now a viable concern, this beast will not be quiet compared to any other convientional aircraft. It may well be that it operates from outside the UK, other operators ( Virgin or others) may wish to operate from sites in the UK. Personally I can't see a case for it beyond polar orbital or sub-orbital launches, we're too far north.

The recent study was useful in outlining the limitations that Sabre and Skylon will have to fit into and shouldn't be pooh-poohed automatically because the hardware doesn't exist as yet.
 
And hopefully at that time some posters will stop acting as a complete arse...

The expected parameters of the engine are actually well known. The main unknown was the pre-cooler, and this has been shown to work. The launch parameters and the options for orbital insertions are well understood.

Discussion of potential launch sites is now a viable concern, this beast will not be quiet compared to any other convientional aircraft. It may well be that it operates from outside the UK, other operators ( Virgin or others) may wish to operate from sites in the UK. Personally I can't see a case for it beyond polar orbital or sub-orbital launches, we're too far north.

The recent study was useful in outlining the limitations that Sabre and Skylon will have to fit into and shouldn't be pooh-poohed automatically because the hardware doesn't exist as yet.
I'm not poo-poohing the study because the hardware hasn't been built yet, but because it isn't actually a milestone in the building of the hardware.

Discussion of launch sites and limitations for the as-yet hypothetical Skylon doesn't actually tell us anything about whether Skylon is possible, feasible, viable, profitable, or in fact any closer to being built than it was when this thread started.

Earlier I asked, "[w]hat's an ESA technical evaluation and what does it mean to pass one?"

What I meant was something like, does the ESA evaluation come with any obligations or commitments or opportunities?

When an engineer signs off on a piece of engineering work, they assume legal liability for the quality of the work. When a buyer signs a contract with a vendor, it often includes an enforceable commitment to buy a certain quantity at a certain price, or similar obligation. The contract often makes similar impositions on the vendor. Before a government makes a grant to fund a project, it might audit the project to determine whether it meets the necessary standards of feasibility and oversight to merit such an investment.

So. What's an ESA technical evaluation and what does it mean to pass one? Does this evaluation open the door to ESA funding for the project? Does it represent any sort of commitment or guarantee of quality on the part of the ESA? What was the scope of the evaluation? Was it a single subsystem or group of subsystems? Does passing the subsystem imply any endorsement by the ESA regarding the overall viability of the final integrated supersystem?

Does it imply any endorsement at all by the ESA? If so, what exactly is the ESA endorsing, with this evaluation? What--if anything--does it tell us about how close SABRE is to its next real developmental milestone?

What's an ESA technical evaluation and what does it mean to pass one?
 

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