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Rules on Smoking - Too Strict?

sadhatter said:
What bothers me is that there are many other personal habits that have just as many bad effects on other people that are not treated like this. The worst offender i find, is chewing gum.

A smoke nazi will loudly proclaim " look at all the cigarette butts everywhere, that should be reason enough to ban it." while not mentioning that it is literally impossible to go in darn near any busy building without encountering a wad of gum stuck to the floor, a desk, a wall, a urinal etc. How many of us have moved the wrong way in a theater, only to have a hand, or other body part touch someones chewed wad of candy and food particles.

A cigarette butt may look unpleasant and need to be removed, but when is the last time you had to spend 10 minutes scraping one off your shoe? Or had to spend a night re cleaning a pair of pants because some jerk left it on a seat?

A smoke nazi will scream " look at how this effects people who have to pass by, i don't want to smell cigarette smoke. " , while ignoring the cud chewing call center floor ( used to work at a call center as well.). Do gum chewers really think it is pleasant to hear the smacks, pops, cracks, sucks and splorts that come with chewing gum?

A smoke nazi will scream about the unprofessional look of a group of smokers, while completely ignoring that anyone, anywhere looks like they have an iq of about 40 chewing a wad of gum.

A smoke nazi will compare a whiff of smoke outdoors to every foul smell from poop to agent orange. While ignoring the sickly sweet rotting meat smell produced by people who overdo it with the spearmint gum.

But the smoke nazi will look at me and say " well of course these things happen, but it is simply people who are being jerks, not everyone who chews gum will do these things. It would be silly to ask people to chew gum out doors." and the smoke nazi will have no idea of the hypocrisy of the statement.

Should we smoke outside? Kinda, i have no issue with it. Should we have to smoke in the middle of a field with no awning , or walls ( the law around where i am.), hell no. Until every personal habit that is a raging annoyance to those who don't do it is treated this way, it is simple posturing by various agencies to set up laws to hassle the smokers.
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Really? How often does the scent of gum linger on your person when standing next to a chewer?
 
sadhatter said:
A cigarette butt may look unpleasant and need to be removed, but when is the last time you had to spend 10 minutes scraping one off your shoe?
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Once, that I recall. About 20 years ago.

sadhatter said:
Or had to spend a night re cleaning a pair of pants because some jerk left it on a seat?
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Never.

sadhatter said:
A smoke nazi will scream " look at how this effects people who have to pass by, i don't want to smell cigarette smoke. " , while ignoring the cud chewing call center floor ( used to work at a call center as well.). Do gum chewers really think it is pleasant to hear the smacks, pops, cracks, sucks and splorts that come with chewing gum?
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I can't remember the last time I heard someone "smack" their gum.

sadhatter said:
A smoke nazi will scream about the unprofessional look of a group of smokers, while completely ignoring that anyone, anywhere looks like they have an iq of about 40 chewing a wad of gum.
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I don't think I've ever seen a group of people congregate for the purpose of chewing gum. Analogy fail.

sadhatter said:
A smoke nazi will compare a whiff of smoke outdoors to every foul smell from poop to agent orange. While ignoring the sickly sweet rotting meat smell produced by people who overdo it with the spearmint gum.
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The spearmint gum I'm familiar with smells nothing remotely like "rotting meat". I suspect smoking has completely messed up your sense of smell.

sadhatter said:
Should we have to smoke in the middle of a field with no awning , or walls...
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Yes.
 
On #1, it'd be illegal here as you can't gather near doorways. The Company should provide a sheltered smoking area though.

On #2. I bought my finacee one while I was in the states, and while she did use it, she still prefers the real things. They should be allowed in non-smoking areas, they don't have any of the hazzards for non-smokers that real cigerettes do, and it would incourgae their use. Anyone that can't distingush them from the real thing is obviously blind and without a sense of smell.
 
I find the smell of smokers to be as offensive as the body odor of somebody that hasn't taken a bath in a week, and personally I would like to see the sale of cigarettes banned. If people want to give themselves lung cancer then let them go snort asbestos.

I work as an engineer in a small company, and when someone who's just come off a cigarette break comes up to my desk and wants to ask me a question I just about gag. The stench of cigarettes clings to you as a foul miasma. Nobody should be forced to walk past you to get into a building at any time, so take your filthy habit away from the rest of us who can still smell. (and as for a smoker complaining about the smell of gum chewing, incense, air fresheners etc. 1) I don't believe that you can actually smell that either and 2) they are doing it so they don't have to smell you.)

I also support the full littering fine for anyone who throws a cigarette on the ground, you know the whole "Don't mess with Texas" thing, and wish that the motorcycle cops who patrol the streets near here would pull people over for that instead of speeding.
 
There are two important things that most smokers do not get…
  1. How foul and sickening it smells to most nonsmokers.
  2. How tenaciously the stench sticks to everything that it touches.

And this, of course, is disregarding the potential health effects on nonsmokers of having to breath this crap from smokers.

I see nothing the least bit unreasonable about supposing that nonsmokers ought to be able to get into the building where they work without having to pass through a group of smokers to do so.

I haven't had any contact with these “e-cigarettes”, but it seems to me that there is a concern to be raised abut them. It may not smell as foul, but just as with a conventional cigarette, you're consuming a harmful, addictive drug, in a gaseous form; and forcing those around you also to partake of this nasty drug, whether they want to or not. That's just wrong. Perhaps it is even more wrong, if there isn't the foul smell to warn nonsmokers of the presence of this drug in the air that they are breathing and to induce them to try to avoid it.

I understand that you're addicted to this drug, and as with most drug addicts, it is a considerable inconvenience to you to be deprived of it. But you were the one who was stupid enough to take this drug in the first place, and to let it have this much control over you. Nothing about this situation gives you the right to inflict it upon others who have the sense not to choose to use this drug.
 
fetchbeer said:
I also support the full littering fine for anyone who throws a cigarette on the ground, you know the whole "Don't mess with Texas" thing, and wish that the motorcycle cops who patrol the streets near here would pull people over for that instead of speeding.
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Like so many in the overzealous anti-smoking crowd, you sure do seem to have your priorities straight.
 
PhantomWolf said:
On #2. I bought my finacee one while I was in the states, and while she did use it, she still prefers the real things. They should be allowed in non-smoking areas, they don't have any of the hazzards for non-smokers that real cigerettes do…
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Are you saying that the vapor from these things does not contain nicotine—the same nasty, harmful, addictive drug that is the main ingredient in cigarette smoke? I thought that was the point of these things, to be a new way to consume this drug. Or is it that you believe that a drug addict's right to consume his drug overrules the right of a non-addict to choose not to consume that drug?
 
DallasDad said:
The only objection to e-cigs that I've ever heard actually articulated goes like this: "It looks like smoking, and someone might be fooled."
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If being fooled is the issue then maybe if they painted the tips of them red like they do with toy guns...
 
sadhatter said:
What bothers me is that there are many other personal habits that have just as many bad effects on other people that are not treated like this. The worst offender i find, is chewing gum.

A smoke nazi will loudly proclaim " look at all the cigarette butts everywhere, that should be reason enough to ban it." while not mentioning that it is literally impossible to go in darn near any busy building without encountering a wad of gum stuck to the floor, a desk, a wall, a urinal etc. How many of us have moved the wrong way in a theater, only to have a hand, or other body part touch someones chewed wad of candy and food particles.

A cigarette butt may look unpleasant and need to be removed, but when is the last time you had to spend 10 minutes scraping one off your shoe? Or had to spend a night re cleaning a pair of pants because some jerk left it on a seat?

A smoke nazi will scream " look at how this effects people who have to pass by, i don't want to smell cigarette smoke. " , while ignoring the cud chewing call center floor ( used to work at a call center as well.). Do gum chewers really think it is pleasant to hear the smacks, pops, cracks, sucks and splorts that come with chewing gum?

A smoke nazi will scream about the unprofessional look of a group of smokers, while completely ignoring that anyone, anywhere looks like they have an iq of about 40 chewing a wad of gum.

A smoke nazi will compare a whiff of smoke outdoors to every foul smell from poop to agent orange. While ignoring the sickly sweet rotting meat smell produced by people who overdo it with the spearmint gum.

But the smoke nazi will look at me and say " well of course these things happen, but it is simply people who are being jerks, not everyone who chews gum will do these things. It would be silly to ask people to chew gum out doors." and the smoke nazi will have no idea of the hypocrisy of the statement.

Should we smoke outside? Kinda, i have no issue with it. Should we have to smoke in the middle of a field with no awning , or walls ( the law around where i am.), hell no. Until every personal habit that is a raging annoyance to those who don't do it is treated this way, it is simple posturing by various agencies to set up laws to hassle the smokers.
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You spelled 'tu quoque' wrong. :rolleyes:

ETA: I've also never seen a strawman spontaneously catch on fire before. Well done!
 
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GeeMack said:
If being fooled is the issue then maybe if they painted the tips of them red like they do with toy guns...
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Already the tip is usually a red, green, or blue LED.
I suppose water vapor looks kind of like smoke, but not really since it dissipates immediately.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Are you saying that the vapor from these things does not contain nicotine—the same nasty, harmful, addictive drug that is the main ingredient in cigarette smoke? I thought that was the point of these things, to be a new way to consume this drug. Or is it that you believe that a drug addict's right to consume his drug overrules the right of a non-addict to choose not to consume that drug?
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The amount of nicotine in the expelled vapour would be negligable, and certainly not enough to affect a non-smoker nearby. No more than the alcohol vapour in a drinker's breath would affect a non-drinker nearby.
 
sadhatter said:
What bothers me is that there are many other personal habits that have just as many bad effects on other people that are not treated like this. The worst offender i find, is chewing gum.
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Walking through a crowd of people chewing gum will not make me spend the next minute attempting to hack out my lungs. That's one thing smokers never seemed to have the least bit of consideration for, some people just plain can't tolerate smoke. Not as in "I don't like it", but as in "it physically sickens me". Hell, I'm lucky. At least there's no real chance it would kill me, unlike with some asthmatics.
 
Irony said:
Walking through a crowd of people chewing gum will not make me spend the next minute attempting to hack out my lungs. That's one thing smokers never seemed to have the least bit of consideration for, some people just plain can't tolerate smoke. Not as in "I don't like it", but as in "it physically sickens me". Hell, I'm lucky. At least there's no real chance it would kill me, unlike with some asthmatics.
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Have some stats on the number of asthmatics killed by second-hand cigarette smoke?
 
There is evidence that smoking outside the doors of a building allow for excessive levels of inhaled particles to be distributed within the building. However, if you are in the US, OSHA foregoes workplace safety if the hazard originates from cigarette smoke. Is it possible that your employers are committed to upholding workplace safety rather than succumbing to social pressures?

Linda
 
Sabretooth said:
I find this rule at our place especially stupid and hypocratic...mostly because I don't want to go outside when it's 5o F out there. However, people have scented candles, scented oils, gag inducing perfume, flowers, and burnt microwave popcorn at their desks all freakin day. An e-cig is essentially a low-level vaporizor, with a scent of your choosing...all of which smell absolutely nothing like a cigarette.

I starting bringing in a coffee flavor vapor for my e-cig. I've been secretly smoking my coffee smelling e-cig at my cube for the last week. Exactly zero people have made a comment that my cubicle smells like coffee. ;)
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I would say that I find cigarette smoke smell unpleasant and annoying. I also find a number of cheap perfumes annoying, the smell of Fritos (taste ok,but) gross, a number of candle aromas gross but have no trouble (and I am not a coffee drinker) with coffee, but not cool with microwaved burned popcorn odor - but love the taste with plenty of healthy butter (not butter flavored oil!!) and salt.
 
Sabretooth, both the rules are really dumb. You are right to be annoyed, IMO.
 
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