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Rosemary Hunter...

Urinating sure sounds to be a somewhat humiliating experience. Won't be easy to get volunteers.

Also, it greatly depends on their a priori conditions. If someone was drinking water all day, has more chance, while someone suffering dehydration won't.

It seems better to me to use the other features - crying/sobbing, for example (most people are capable of that, and in any time of day).

Laughter is also a nice one, but personally I'd be tempted to laugh on my own if i had to be in front of a 'psychic', wearing black glasses and knowing she's concentrating on me :D

30 min does sound too long to me also. According to teaching experiences, hard to sit for so long silently :D

(But she won't show up, will she? Still, i'm eeevil, but i suddenly envisioned an old respected prof peeing in his pants, shown on tv... worth a million bucks :D )
 
I would be willing to volunteer to resist urinating. Since I take a diuretic daily, I would be more apt to have the urge to void than the average person, but I am 100% certain I can resist Ms. Hunter's 'power'.
 
Depressed by God

I suggest a protocol involving a catheter, whereby an individual, or groups of individuals, is 'hooked up' so to speak, and we establish a baseline flow rate, and suggest a modification of that rate. Assuming a properly functioning kidney, and a pre determined consumption of liquids prior to the test, I think God's hand on the bladder of the subject should be easily quantified, though one has to ask what incentives could be provided to get volunteers...

Does anyone else ever wonder who God's marketing agent is? I mean really. He could vastly swell the ranks of his followers if only he would take some small portion of his divine awesomeness and confer upon his Earthly messengers some more practical super-powers. Proper analysis would normally involved studies and test groups, but I should think a Supreme Being could forego all that nonsense and just read everyone's mind. I would not be surprised to find that making people urinate, or perform other natural body functions on command, is near the bottom of a very large list which would include invisibility, flying, curing disease, transforming into a giant squirrel with laser eyes, and regenerating severed limbs among other more desirable talents. Even that walking on water thing could come in handy, and we've already established a precedent that a lot of people would be very impressed..
.. And I'm not even a marketing guy...
 
How does the randomization of the effect help in testing the claim.

If I claim that I can jump 1 foot high, I expect to be tested whether I can jump 1 foot high. If I also happen to claim to be able to touch my elbow to my knee, it doesn't add anything to the test to also test that. I can either jump the 1 foot or not. Adding in the elbow touching in no way enhances the test.
 
GzuzKryzt said:
You probably would have done it anyway without me asking, but for the sake of letting the readers know: When you have a chance, please ask Jim Underdown for a follow-up on Ms. Hunter's contact status. I'm pretty sure she still hasn't contacted him or came up with some lame excuse. It's anecdotal at best but provides an impression we so often encounter with these folks, doesn't it?
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Bingo. She never contacted him again.
 
Seventhsally said:
I suggest a protocol involving a catheter, whereby an individual, or groups of individuals, is 'hooked up' so to speak, and we establish a baseline flow rate, and suggest a modification of that rate. Assuming a properly functioning kidney, and a pre determined consumption of liquids prior to the test, I think God's hand on the bladder of the subject should be easily quantified, though one has to ask what incentives could be provided to get volunteers...
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Typically catheters need to be emptied manually, don't they? If that's the case, it would be impossible to know if she was causing one to lose one bladder function.
 
Agreed- My assumption was that the hand of God was creating the urine through a process of divine intervention, not merely releasing it from its bodily constraints. I will await further clarification on whether the power works on empty bladders- causing them to fill, or on full bladders, causing them to empty. So my question would be" Do we know that this power works on the bladder muscles, or ar we talking about the spontaneous creation of miracle pee from Heaven? I rather thought this latter possibility more interesting as just making someone lose bladder function can be done with a good joke, a well placed kick, or as previously mentioned, the mere disclosure of this talent to the forum. I think the marketing possibilities of miracle pee are self evident, and I would encourage this line of testing, if only for the opportunity of ready the marketing copy on her future web site.
 
Ms. Hunter has not specified whether the person needs to have an empty or full bladder. To my knowledge, it doesn't matter.

Any protocol involving catheters is going to be too much for the JREF to do. We simply do not have access to that kind of equipment, or the medical personnel required to set up such a study.

~Remie
 
SezMe said:
Or, I would assume, want to take the risk of health complications by the participants.
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Most health complications from catheters are a result of long-term use, such as in patients with comas. But yes, that does factor in as well ;)

~Remie
 
maybe we could combine this with the Edge thread about dowsing.. we could bury various participants with varying degrees of bladder content in a field in California.. Oh wait... let me think some more about this..
 
I can't believe someone takes this urination and catheters etc seriously...
I mean, making someone urinate with an empty bladder, now that would involve the attention of the Pope himself, not only JREF. Even with telepathic or similar abilities we can't expect her to do that, even though she does not say so. And it's also bad on patients. Total nonsense. Next time someone will make people create a sandcastle from their bottom parts (and it'll have arbitrary color and odor). :D Surely would make a South Park episode.
Btw, of the few episodes I've seen, there were many trying to unveil woowoos and other stupidities. Maybe making an own cartoon would be a nice outreach (as i've already suggested elsewhere in the forum). yes, i know,it takes lots of money and expert personnel... though south park was also started in a garage, wasn't it? (no, i don't mean we have to be so rude as in that cartoon, though it seems to have an impact...)
 
RemieV said:
Ms. Hunter says that she will need one-half hour with each of the volunteers.

And, in the case of the crying phenomenon, it is uncontrollable sobbing. Not just tears on one's cheeks ;)
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Watching Court TV's "Psychic Detectives" frequently reduces ME to uncontrollable sobbing...
 
I can see problems with this claim. If the volunteer is meant to urinate, how would anyone know if this has happened? Would an inspection of clothing be required? Or would the volunteer be asked which one of these did Rosemary try to make you do?

What I have said for urination goes for everything else.
 
rjh01 said:
I can see problems with this claim. If the volunteer is meant to urinate, how would anyone know if this has happened? Would an inspection of clothing be required? Or would the volunteer be asked which one of these did Rosemary try to make you do?

What I have said for urination goes for everything else.
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GzuzKryzt said:
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3. Go with diapers or bathing costumes.
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Results are as self-evident as can get.
 
Problem. Diaper is handed over for inspection for urination. The applicant says he can see and smell urine present. The others in the room cannot detect it. James Randi says no judging allowed. Find some other method.

No. The answer is to get the volunteers to say which one of several effects the applicant was trying to induce. If the volunteer has wet pants then the answer is simple. If he feels 100% fit then again the answer is simple.

As a control send the volunteers to see two people. One the applicant the other a control. The volunteer must work out who is who. Then you get double your money per volunteer.
 
rjh01 said:
Problem. Diaper is handed over for inspection for urination. The applicant says he can see and smell urine present. The others in the room cannot detect it. James Randi says no judging allowed. Find some other method.

No. The answer is to get the volunteers to say which one of several effects the applicant was trying to induce. If the volunteer has wet pants then the answer is simple. If he feels 100% fit then again the answer is simple.

As a control send the volunteers to see two people. One the applicant the other a control. The volunteer must work out who is who. Then you get double your money per volunteer.
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Here's my suggestion
 
Within Ms. Hunter's proposed protocol, she states that there will be no diapers. Hopefully no one is wearing black pants.

Just in case, I suppose it would be prudent to suggest that any volunteers bring a spare set of clothing and some trash bags.

Update on the two protocols, by the way:

The second protocol was proposed because Ms. Hunter said, within her own suggested protocol, that she may need to touch the volunteer on the hand during the test. Obviously, if the setup involved a group of people with blacked out sunglasses in the room simultaneously, the one who was being touched on the hand would know she was attempting to make them urinate and defeat the purpose of the sunglasses.

The second protocol idea was developed so that the volunteers would be one-on-one in the room with Ms. Hunter, and she could touch them on the hand as much as she liked. Because of the list of abilities given out beforehand, the volunteer would know that Ms. Hunter was attempting to do something, but wouldn't know which off the list it was.

The list, therefore, had within it powers that Ms. Hunter claims to be capable of mixed in with ones she is incapable of. Since no one knew, at the time, exactly what things Ms. Hunter was capable of aside from the JREF representatives who have been working with her, the protocol might've been sound. Ms. Hunter cannot, for example, really make someone vomit. She can, however, make them laugh uncontrollably.

However, that idea was made null and void the moment that it was posted, within this thread, the list of abilities Ms. Hunter actually does claim to have.

I know that might've not made sense. I'm kind of tired and distracted.

In summary: Go ahead and forget that second possible protocol. It will no longer be a viable option.

So now the question becomes this: Ms. Hunter may need to touch the volunteer. How can we allow that to happen if the volunteer will therefore know that she is working her powers on him/her?
 
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