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Roman Dodecahedron

arthwollipot said:
It's possible that they were used for spool knitting, 1300 years before anything was written down about it (a legal decision in Strasbourg on the guild membership for sock knitters, if you're interested), but since the Romans wrote everything else down, including their recipe for concrete, which was recently discovered in Pompeii, it seems unlikely.
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Your link does not lead to a written Roman concrete recipe, discovered in Pompeii.

Also you're appealing to knowledge only unlocked this year, to argue that other knowledge, not yet discovered, must have been discovered before this year, if it were real knowledge. Maybe 2026 is the year we find the evidence of Roman knitting, the same way 2025 was the year for Roman concrete recipes.
 
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theprestige said:
Also you're appealing to knowledge only unlocked this year, to argue that other knowledge, not yet discovered, must have been discovered before this year, if it were real knowledge. Maybe 2026 is the year we find the evidence of Roman knitting, the same way 2025 was the year for Roman concrete recipes.
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That is entirely possible, yes.
 
theprestige said:
Also no written recipe for concrete was found at Pompeii, contra your linked article.
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The article describes how it was made, based on a new discovery at Pompeii. If by "written recipe" you mean a precise ingredients-and-method, prefaced by six paragraphs about the author's grandmother, you're correct, that is not there.

Also, if you look carefully, you will find that the article links to this paper, which does contain the complete recipe, including chemical formulas, as peer-reviewed and published in the journal of the American Association of the Advancement of Science (AAAS), Science Advances.
 
arthwollipot said:
The article describes how it was made, based on a new discovery at Pompeii. If by "written recipe" you mean a precise ingredients-and-method, prefaced by six paragraphs about the author's grandmother, you're correct, that is not there.

Also, if you look carefully, you will find that the article links to this paper, which does contain the complete recipe, including chemical formulas, as peer-reviewed and published in the journal of the American Association of the Advancement of Science (AAAS), Science Advances.
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You said the Romans wrote down their concrete recipe, and that the written Roman recipe was recently found in Pompeii. This saying of yours is false.

This false saying of yours, you advanced as an argument that if the dodes were knitting tools, we'd have found the written instructions by now, just as we recently found the written instructions for Roman concrete (which we have not found, recently or otherwise).
 
theprestige said:
You said the Romans wrote down their concrete recipe, and that the written Roman recipe was recently found in Pompeii. This saying of yours is false.
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I didn't expect the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Spanish Inquisition. If I'd known that you were going to jump on it like a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ praying mantis on a cricket, I'd have been a little more precise in my language. Everybody else knew what I was talking about.
 
theprestige said:
Your link does not lead to a written Roman concrete recipe, discovered in Pompeii.

Also you're appealing to knowledge only unlocked this year, to argue that other knowledge, not yet discovered, must have been discovered before this year, if it were real knowledge. Maybe 2026 is the year we find the evidence of Roman knitting, the same way 2025 was the year for Roman concrete recipes.
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They aren't Roman, they have only been found in Celtic areas.
If it was for knitting it would be Celtic knitting.
 
arthwollipot said:
I didn't expect the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Spanish Inquisition. If I'd known that you were going to jump on it like a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ praying mantis on a cricket, I'd have been a little more precise in my language. Everybody else knew what I was talking about.
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How long have you been on this forum? ;)
 
D12 for playing Romans and Dragons.
Which he just got to in the video which I have playing.

How about a prognostication device? Ask it when something will happen, give it a roll, and the size of the top hole tells you how long.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
They aren't Roman, they have only been found in Celtic areas.
If it was for knitting it would be Celtic knitting.
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This is a valid point to add complication one could correctly say they (all) are neither Roman or dodecahedron.

Also information is based on both fragmented and broken, examples of course.
 
Trebuchet said:
D12 for playing Romans and Dragons.
Which he just got to in the video which I have playing.

How about a prognostication device? Ask it when something will happen, give it a roll, and the size of the top hole tells you how long.
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I like the many examples / ideas of how they might be used for gaming.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I've downloaded a single piece model, and one which is hinged panels with screw in 'feet'. I got distracted so I didn't get round to slicing and printing it, bug if I get a chance before I go away for Xmas... The panel one looks an easy print and under klipper that kind of thing prints decently quick. I might put the single piece through the resin printer, but I need to clear a path through the room, we dumped everything in there when the downstairs ceiling was being replaced.
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Excellent!! This spring I am expecting some cash, and a 3D printer will fit even in my tiny apartment.
If I go ahead I'll remember this thread!! AND find a 3D printer thread I'm sure is here somewhere. :)
 
P.J. Denyer said:
The other thing that occurs to me is that if the purpose is knitting, it's over complicated. A small board with a hole in it means you don't have to reach in with a hook from the other side of a 3 dimensional form (possibly through a much smaller hole), and a thin wooden board with a hole bored in it and some wooden pegs or a wicker ring with exposed spars would be so much easier, cheaper and more accessible to ordinary people. And if one of the 'pegs' breaks off, the ajoining faces are compromised if not spoiled, a wooden one, five minutes with a whittling knife and it's replaced.
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I've always assumed that's why we don't still use them today.

They were replaced by a much simpler tool, that could be quickly carved from wood.
(That's also faster to use.)

A Lucet fork for example.

en.wikipedia.org

Lucet - Wikipedia

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Ron Swanson said:
Excellent!! This spring I am expecting some cash, and a 3D printer will fit even in my tiny apartment.
If I go ahead I'll remember this thread!! AND find a 3D printer thread I'm sure is here somewhere. :)
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I don't think there is. I've thought about starting one a few times. But happy to help if you have any questions I might be able to answer.
 
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