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Roided Up "Boy" Wins Girls' State Wrestling Championship

PhantomWolf said:
Well if your fears are right then surely the results we should see in the next few Olympic games is for Transgender women to be taking all the top spots, whereas currently they aren't. Would that not be an influx?
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It would be an influx, yes, but it still has nothing to do with my concerns. Perhaps you're reading too much into what I posted.
 
Argumemnon said:
No, I know. But I'm concerned that, even though they are not numerous, male-to-female athletes, if they transitioned after puberty, would easily outclass their competition. That's been my beef with the idea since the beginning.
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That's certainly a possibility I guess, although I think it might depend on the sport to some degree. Even if we exclude the impact of muscle density etc. the difference in physical construction does impact upper-body and lower-body strength.

But unless you want to propose a "trans only" class of competitions, I don't see that there's any real solution here. I can't really back disallowing transgendered people from competing overall, that doesn't seem reasonable or fair.
 
Emily's Cat said:
That's certainly a possibility I guess, although I think it might depend on the sport to some degree. Even if we exclude the impact of muscle density etc. the difference in physical construction does impact upper-body and lower-body strength.

But unless you want to propose a "trans only" class of competitions, I don't see that there's any real solution here. I can't really back disallowing transgendered people from competing overall, that doesn't seem reasonable or fair.
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I agree with you that there seems to be no single good solution.
 
Argumemnon said:
I agree with you that there seems to be no single good solution.
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I agree. And there is no reason that more than one solution cannot be considered and implemented. In fact, they are. There are limits and constraints even to the IOC rulings, I expect. This would mean that it isn't a single solution either, but a solution reflecting the consideration of multiple factors, and dealing with them differently when applicable.

And yet, many of the negative responses here are based on criticizing a 'one solution' strawman.

As well as the 'no solution possible, it just can't ever possibly be made fair' crowd.
 
I find it interesting that Texas' demands that gurls be gurls, and therefore this transitioning female-to-male, loaded with testosterone and whatnot, must only wrestle girls.

Then people get bent out of shape when s/he whomps other girls, who are forbidden from taking testosterone lest they be ejected for illegal substances.


I also wonder about Ritalin, another substance that would normally be banned, but is allowed if for proper medical reasons. It can give an unfair advantage and still be medically proper. Asterisks on records all around, if you ask me!
 
Argumemnon said:
I agree with you that there seems to be no single good solution.
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Perhaps the single good solution is to let the competitors decide who and what should be allowed as far as hormones, genitalia and such go.

Would the girls on the team be okay with a testosterone-taking female, or a girl who was born a boy? They are really the only ones affected by this, especially at the non-professional level. Let's simply ask them.

Other than that, this is a problem that should be addressed on a purely rational/logical level since we are talking about biology. Opinions and ideas of inclusiveness have no place here.

If being fair to a single person means being unfair to the rest of the league, then it isn't really fair is it? And, except for a few extreme cases, is this really a big problem?
 
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