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Right, Left and coddling

Fudbucker said:
Do we agree that Trump is unfit for the office?
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That isn't a relevant question here. Fear of Trump's general unfitness is far from the only fear anyone on the left has, and plenty of other fears are decidedly irrational.
 
Ziggurat said:
No. This is absolutely wrong. Read his post again. He doesn't take a stand for or against Trump or his supporters. His post was about extremism of any kind.

But by assuming partisanship where none existed, you've created a different exhibit A of your own.
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Yeah no partisanship. He accused others of calling Trump supporters "evil" when they did no such thing.
 
mgidm86 said:
Oh of course the fears your side fears are rationally grounded! Everyone else - not so much. That's more than a little arrogant.
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I don't care, it's right. When, in your lifetime, have you ever seen members of the President's own party call him unfit to be President? If those NeverTrumpers and Republican Senators are right, then the fear of an unfit President occupying the office is a rational one, correct?

Statements like yours reinforce my belief that many liberals are so insistent that they are right that they can't believe anyone else can think differently. I see it a lot but saying it here sounds pretty stupid, especially without any evidence.
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Trump is manifestly unfit to be President. This is a view of liberals AND Republicans.

I don't think comments sections are the best places to gauge reactions to a news story, left or right.
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I think Trump is the best way to gauge his base. But we also have outlets his supporters flock to, like Breitbart. What they choose to cover and not cover, and what gets upvoted in the comments sections, is very revealing.
 
Ziggurat said:
That isn't a relevant question here. Fear of Trump's general unfitness is far from the only fear anyone on the left has, and plenty of other fears are decidedly irrational.
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Of course it's relevant, but you obviously don't want to go there. For some reason.

If we both agree the President is unfit, how do we then interpret the fact 80+% of Republicans support him? Let's hear your theory.
 
Fudbucker said:
Of course it's relevant, but you obviously don't want to go there. For some reason.

If we both agree the President is unfit, how do we then interpret the fact 80+% of Republicans support him? Let's hear your theory.
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That you two are wrong? Or that the opinion of two people here doesn't matter?
 
Jerrymander said:
Recently on Real Time, Jordan Peterson suggested to Maher and the panel that they be sensitive to Trump supporters and "hold out their hand" to them and understand them. This is coming from a person who tells activists to "clean their room".

Why is there this double-standard where reactionaries being nasty to "SJWs", trans-people and college students with dyed hair is considered bold and "telling it like it is" but liberals do something similar there's the inevitable "this is why Trump won"?

Why doesn't the average Trump voter expand their hand to understand the other side?
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Frankly, the people I know who told me they voted for Dolt 45 are the same people who I eliminated from my list of potential friends long ago, for acts like nearly calling me a racial slur to my face. I understand them perfectly, and that's why I'm not reaching out to them.

Again, I have actual friends who voted for McMullin or Johnson, and they weren't too happy about it but saw Cheeto Benito for what he was from the start.

Now, the apparent second group consists of people who really just don't pay attention to politics at all. The people who swear that the head idiot has changed health care for the better, the folks that are shocked when their friends and family get deported, who are horrified by Dolt 45's tweets and immaturity, and so on. And as I've said before, I know very few of these, and have no idea how to reach them if their actual family and friends don't, except for hoping they learn when Dolt 45 harms them and their loved ones directly. Leopards Eating People's Faces Party and all that.

And yes, I'm sure that many people simply vote party line dem without thought as well. They're not the immediate problem.

And Jordan Peterson strikes me as the latest in a long line of "anti-SJW" grifters who makes tons of money by misconstruing what others are saying, shows little to no understanding of the most basic parts of society, and so forth. From lobsters to makeup to supposed suppression of "free speech", he pushes a lot of silliness, only he has a doctorate and uses larger words.
 
Ziggurat said:
That isn't a relevant question here. Fear of Trump's general unfitness is far from the only fear anyone on the left has, and plenty of other fears are decidedly irrational.
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What are the other widespread irrational fears the left has, in your opinion?
 
kellyb said:
What are the other widespread irrational fears the left has, in your opinion?
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I said nothing about how widespread such fears are, since the reference to fears on the right was comments on a web page, which do nothing to establish their prevalence either. I merely refer to their existence, which is all Fudbucker can possibly claim to have established (though even that far from rigorously).

Do you still need me to give you examples, or are you willing to concede that they exist?
 
Fudbucker said:
Of course it's relevant
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It's not relevant to my argument. Among other things, I don't need to classify fear of Trump's unfitness as irrational in order to establish that there are irrational fears on the left.
 
Ziggurat said:
I said nothing about how widespread such fears are, since the reference to fears on the right was comments on a web page, which do nothing to establish their prevalence either. I merely refer to their existence, which is all Fudbucker can possibly claim to have established (though even that far from rigorously).

Do you still need me to give you examples, or are you willing to concede that they exist?
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I'm going to say that stuff that makes it on infowars counts as "widespread."

I'm really curious what you think the leftwing equivalents are.
 
Intertesting study referenced in NYTimes article:

"Candidate preferences in 2016 reflected increasing anxiety among high-status groups rather than complaints about past treatment among low-status groups. Both growing domestic racial diversity and globalization contributed to a sense that white Americans are under siege by these engines of change."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/...tml?rref=collection/sectioncollection/opinion
 
Since November 2016, I've turned on the news everyday and found plenty of examples of irrational fears from the left.
 
FenerFan said:
As for the “double standard,” as someone who has always leaned more to the left politically, I think it’s more incumbent on those on the left to be the ones to “hold out their hand.” Those who push for more tolerance, inclusion, and sensitivity in government should personally display those attributes.
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What should we be more tolerant of?
 
Fudbucker said:
They live in a bubble of constant fear. Their "enemies" are nearly endless: liberals, uniparty, Rinos, deep state, Mexicans, Muslims, Feminists, Ms-13, Antifa, CIA, FBI, DOJ. It's hard to believe they can get out of bed in the morning.
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Ziggurat said:
Do you honestly think there aren't irrational fears on the left?
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Ziggurat said:
That isn't a relevant question here. Fear of Trump's general unfitness is far from the only fear anyone on the left has, and plenty of other fears are decidedly irrational.
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kellyb said:
What are the other widespread irrational fears the left has, in your opinion?
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ServiceSoon said:
Since November 2016, I've turned on the news everyday and found plenty of examples of irrational fears from the left.
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Ziggurat has provided one 'fear' 'the left' has and cites "plenty" more that are also irrational. I'm curious what these plenty of enemies are, and will provide a gimme of 'conservatives'. What else?
 
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kellyb said:
What are the other widespread irrational fears the left has, in your opinion?
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Depleted uranium. White phosphorous. Nuclear power.

And GMO, I've never heard right-wingers whine about that.
 
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