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Jerrymander

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Recently on Real Time, Jordan Peterson suggested to Maher and the panel that they be sensitive to Trump supporters and "hold out their hand" to them and understand them. This is coming from a person who tells activists to "clean their room".

Why is there this double-standard where reactionaries being nasty to "SJWs", trans-people and college students with dyed hair is considered bold and "telling it like it is" but liberals do something similar there's the inevitable "this is why Trump won"?

Why doesn't the average Trump voter expand their hand to understand the other side?
 
Jerrymander said:
Recently on Real Time, Jordan Peterson suggested to Maher and the panel that they be sensitive to Trump supporters and "hold out their hand" to them and understand them. This is coming from a person who tells activists to "clean their room".

Why is there this double-standard where reactionaries being nasty to "SJWs", trans-people and college students with dyed hair is considered bold and "telling it like it is" but liberals do something similar there's the inevitable "this is why Trump won"?

Why doesn't the average Trump voter expand their hand to understand the other side?
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I frequent sites like this, HuffPo, Mediate, and Breitbart. The vitriol and stupidity in the comments section is a uniquely Republican (Trumpian) thing.

They live in a bubble of constant fear. Their "enemies" are nearly endless: liberals, uniparty, Rinos, deep state, Mexicans, Muslims, Feminists, Ms-13, Antifa, CIA, FBI, DOJ. It's hard to believe they can get out of bed in the morning.

There is no reasoning with a lot of these people. They're consumed by this stuff. They also buy into the most bizzare conspiracies.
 
Jerrymander said:
Why is there this double-standard
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Because it's good strategy for us to be better than the other side. Just walking around insulting people is not an effective method for achieving our objectives.
 
Jesus Christ.

Fine whatever. If anyone, from either side, believes that a full 40% of the population has gotten so cartoonishly evil that's there's no going back then start acting like it. Just start shooting them on sight as the inhuman monsters you think they are. Just straight go full Civil War if things really and truly are this far past the point of no return.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jesus Christ.

Fine whatever. If anyone, from either side, believes that a full 40% of the population has gotten so cartoonishly evil that's there's no going back then start acting like it. Just start shooting them on sight as the inhuman monsters you think they are. Just straight go full Civil War if things really and truly are this far past the point of no return.
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Exhibit A.
 
Jerrymander said:
That criticizing Trump supporters is considered offensive.
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No. This is absolutely wrong. Read his post again. He doesn't take a stand for or against Trump or his supporters. His post was about extremism of any kind.

But by assuming partisanship where none existed, you've created a different exhibit A of your own.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jesus Christ.

Fine whatever. If anyone, from either side, believes that a full 40% of the population has gotten so cartoonishly evil that's there's no going back then start acting like it. Just start shooting them on sight as the inhuman monsters you think they are. Just straight go full Civil War if things really and truly are this far past the point of no return.
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I don't think it's 40%, and I don't think they're cartoonishly evil, but the ones that populate the comments sections on places like Breitbart are very frightened people. Like I said, their list of "enemies" is nearly endless. Their embrace of Alex Jones and their pet conspiracy theories IS cartoonish.

There are frightened people on the Left, of course, but their fears are rationally grounded and shared by many on the Right: Trump is unfit for office, and for the President to be unfit for the office is rightfully a scary thing.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jesus Christ.

Fine whatever. If anyone, from either side, believes that a full 40% of the population has gotten so cartoonishly evil that's there's no going back then start acting like it. Just start shooting them on sight as the inhuman monsters you think they are. Just straight go full Civil War if things really and truly are this far past the point of no return.
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It is a big jump from being evil to needing to be killed.
 
Jerrymander said:
That criticizing Trump supporters is considered offensive.
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It's one of those threads, is it? Glad we established that early on.

And for the record, Jordan Peterson is one of the most balanced and thoughtful debaters around. Normally I'd imagine that someone advising we should take a measured view and not indulge in knee-jerk reactions would be seen as the voice of reason, but of course if there's any hint that the person is not a left winger then it's obviously an outrage about which a thread must be started.
 
Fudbucker said:
There are frightened people on the Left, of course, but their fears are rationally grounded
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Do you honestly think there aren't irrational fears on the left? Because if you do, then either you haven't been paying attention, or you can't actually recognize irrationality on your side.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jesus Christ.

Fine whatever. If anyone, from either side, believes that a full 40% of the population has gotten so cartoonishly evil willfully ignorant and tribal that's there's no going back reasoning with them, then start acting like it. Just start shooting ignoring them on sight as the inhuman monsters waste of time you think they are. Just straight go full Civil War ignore or mocking them if things really and truly are this far past the point of no return.
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FTFY
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Jesus Christ.

Fine whatever. If anyone, from either side, believes that a full 40% of the population has gotten so cartoonishly evil that's there's no going back then start acting like it. Just start shooting them on sight as the inhuman monsters you think they are. Just straight go full Civil War if things really and truly are this far past the point of no return.
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Lighten up, Joe; Hillary herself said only 20% were deplorable, and she didn't even recommend locking them up, much less shooting them. She recommended outnumbering them at the polls. I'm With Her :p
 
Fudbucker said:
I don't think it's 40%, and I don't think they're cartoonishly evil, but the ones that populate the comments sections on places like Breitbart are very frightened people. Like I said, their list of "enemies" is nearly endless. Their embrace of Alex Jones and their pet conspiracy theories IS cartoonish.

There are frightened people on the Left, of course, but their fears are rationally grounded and shared by many on the Right: Trump is unfit for office, and for the President to be unfit for the office is rightfully a scary thing.
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Oh of course the fears your side fears are rationally grounded! Everyone else - not so much. That's more than a little arrogant.

Statements like yours reinforce my belief that many liberals are so insistent that they are right that they can't believe anyone else can think differently. I see it a lot but saying it here sounds pretty stupid, especially without any evidence.

I don't think comments sections are the best places to gauge reactions to a news story, left or right.
 
Ziggurat said:
Do you honestly think there aren't irrational fears on the left? Because if you do, then either you haven't been paying attention, or you can't actually recognize irrationality on your side.
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Do we agree that Trump is unfit for the office? If no, stop reading, watch Hannity, and have more koolaid, or whatever you're taking that clouds the obvious trainwreck of a presidency in your mind.

If yes, how do you explain the fact his approval rating among Republicans is 82%? I think it's fear. Trump's whole shtick is xenophobia and paranoia. He's a victim of "fake news", the Swamp, the Deep State, the FBI, the DOJ, Mueller, Rosenstein, nevermind that his own appointees are running the FBI and DOJ.

I think Republicans eat that up because they're afraid. It's either that or they're total idiots. That's my theory, what's yours?
 
baron said:
It's one of those threads, is it? Glad we established that early on.

And for the record, Jordan Peterson is one of the most balanced and thoughtful debaters around. Normally I'd imagine that someone advising we should take a measured view and not indulge in knee-jerk reactions would be seen as the voice of reason, but of course if there's any hint that the person is not a left winger then it's obviously an outrage about which a thread must be started.
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I agree with your feelings about Peterson. I don’t agree with everything he says, but it’s nice that a reasoned, thoughtful voice can be heard in popular media.
I think it’s very dismissive to simply say Peterson is the guy who tells activists to “clean their room.” It represents a way for people to take care of the responsibilities which are within their grasp so that “the domain of their experience will be more pristine and better put together than it is today,” as Peterson himself has stated. I don’t think it’s bad advice for young people who are politically active and want to improve things in their country. I think that the more order one has in their own life, the more they are able to positively effect those around them, their families and their communities.
As for the “double standard,” as someone who has always leaned more to the left politically, I think it’s more incumbent on those on the left to be the ones to “hold out their hand.” Those who push for more tolerance, inclusion, and sensitivity in government should personally display those attributes.
 
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