Reverend Wright Throws More Gas On the Fire

[chipmunk stew]

I'm an Obama supporter, but I suspect there is more cooperation going on between Wright and the Obama camp than meets the eye.

Consider this: At first glance, the timing of Wright's media barrage couldn't come at a worse time. But Obama is going to win NC handily anyway, and IN will still be close, whichever way it swings. So two things will be accomplished. First, the Obama camp will be able to argue that even with Wright throwing fuel on the fire, it doesn't seem to be hurting Obama all that much (and if IN goes to Hillary, they can blame it on Wright.) Second, this will create some public animosity between Wright and the Obama camp, and they'll be able to argue (as they've begun to already) that Wright and Obama are not on the same page.

 

[dudalb]

Yes it seems as though McCain and Hillary supporters might get their way, and the candidacy of hope will be destroyed by the politics of hate, and guilt by association...well done folks in the media and others.

Now on with the McCain and Hillary show.

TAM

Let's blame it all on Hilary and McCain, and what both Democrats and the GOP love to blame ,the Media,and none on the Rev.Wright.
Nice going,guy.
I still think OBama will get the nomination, but the real damage this has done to him will show up in November.
Of course I feel you have made a fantasy figure out of Obama that he never really was, but that is another issue.

 

[corplinx]

Intentional Sabotage? How about tit for tat. He gave Obama street cred, performed his marriage, and baptized his kids. When Obama was called to task for attending the church he pretended like he didn't know this was how Wright was, denounced his remarks, and played him off as an angry retired guy.

I think Obama should have just been honest. He came out and said the church was over the top and so was Rev. Wright. He should have just stayed on that message said, "if you think those remarks are something, you should hear the rest of his sermons, its over the top, its provocative, and it speaks to a lot of people who feel left out of the american dream, i want to be in touch with those people".

 

[dudalb]

I'm an Obama supporter, but I suspect there is more cooperation going on between Wright and the Obama camp than meets the eye.

Consider this: At first glance, the timing of Wright's media barrage couldn't come at a worse time. But Obama is going to win NC handily anyway, and IN will still be close, whichever way it swings. So two things will be accomplished. First, the Obama camp will be able to argue that even with Wright throwing fuel on the fire, it doesn't seem to be hurting Obama all that much (and if IN goes to Hillary, they can blame it on Wright.) Second, this will create some public animosity between Wright and the Obama camp, and they'll be able to argue (as they've begun to already) that Wright and Obama are not on the same page.

That is the most far fetched theory I have heard in a while.
And the real damage that Wright has done Obama will show up in November.
You can spin it all you want, you can put your finger in your ears and go "La.La.La,I can't hear you" all you want but Wright is doing major damage to the Obama campaign.
And although I have some problems with some of McCain's connections, to compare Hagee with Wright misses on huge point: McCain showed up at Hagee's church once or twice; Obama was a member of Wright's church for 20 years,and took the title for his book from Wright. Big Difference.

 

[dudalb]

Expect Wright to have a best-selling book in the next year.

I don't know if he can make the best seller list, but I am sure a lucrative book contract is in the making for the Rev.Wright,along with some very well paying lecture tours.

 

[Brainster]

I'm an Obama supporter, but I suspect there is more cooperation going on between Wright and the Obama camp than meets the eye.

Consider this: At first glance, the timing of Wright's media barrage couldn't come at a worse time. But Obama is going to win NC handily anyway, and IN will still be close, whichever way it swings. So two things will be accomplished. First, the Obama camp will be able to argue that even with Wright throwing fuel on the fire, it doesn't seem to be hurting Obama all that much (and if IN goes to Hillary, they can blame it on Wright.) Second, this will create some public animosity between Wright and the Obama camp, and they'll be able to argue (as they've begun to already) that Wright and Obama are not on the same page.

Think about this like a pollster and not a rooter for a second. What demographics does this help Obama get? Does it help him with black voters? Does it help him with white voters? If Obama had come out forcefully and said yesterday, "If that's the way he feels, then I do have to disown him," he might have gotten his Sister Souljah moment and the benefits you describe. As it is, the opportunity has passed.

And the happiest person in the USA is probably Bill Ayers.

 

[T.A.M.]

Let's blame it all on Hilary and McCain, and what both Democrats and the GOP love to blame ,the Media,and none on the Rev.Wright.
Nice going,guy.
I still think OBama will get the nomination, but the real damage this has done to him will show up in November.
Of course I feel you have made a fantasy figure out of Obama that he never really was, but that is another issue.

Rev. Wright is to blame for his words...no doubt. He is also to blame for opening his mouth when he knew his words were under the microscope.

The McCain supporters, nutjob Right Wing Pundits included, are guilty of trying to blame Obama, and to not only discredit him, but ruin his reputation, and to sully his character, through association with this man.

The Hillary camp are guilty of standing by and watching the McCain people, etc...do this, and not say a word.

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Please explain to me what fantasy figure I PERSONALLY have made out of Obama, and I wouldn't mind a little proof.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

That is the most far fetched theory I have heard in a while.
And the real damage that Wright has done Obama will show up in November.
You can spin it all you want, you can put your finger in your ears and go "La.La.La,I can't hear you" all you want but Wright is doing major damage to the Obama campaign.
And although I have some problems with some of McCain's connections, to compare Hagee with Wright misses on huge point: McCain showed up at Hagee's church once or twice; Obama was a member of Wright's church for 20 years,and took the title for his book from Wright. Big Difference.

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Edited Out....unfair, anger filled, and venting...erased.
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TAM

Edit: and The big problem with McBush and Hagee is not the duration or strength of the relationship between them, but the fact that McCain went in search of this hatemonger, homophobes endorsement.

 

[dudalb]

Perhaps I am being unfair, but by God, your hatred for Obama, and more particularly for anyone who dares to support him, is unfair as well.

I don't hate Obama, I just cannot see him as the messainic figure a lot of Obama supporters do. I had the same problem with the Ron Paul supporters.
I am still undecided in the next election.
I can buy him being a better candidate for Pres then McCain or Hilary, but I cannot buy him as the next Abraham Lincoln.
And,frankly, I find the Hilary hatred to be way over the top.
And ,we have been through this before, I have a resentment against Non US citizens trying to interefere in American Politics. And,frankly,that is exactly what you are trying to do. You take it way beyond just commenting on US Politics.
You really would not get a little angry if somebody who was not a Canadian Citizen tried to campaign for someone in the next Canadian election?
BTW, as of now, I would say that Hilary is more electable then Obama.

 

[T.A.M.]

1. I agree, that because Hillary has gotten a pass in the last several months, and Obama has been the focus of the RW and their wrath, that Hillary MAY BE more electable at this moment then Obama. If Hillary by some chance wins the nom, that will ALL CHANGE...

2. Honestly, if americans were ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING for a particular candidate to lead our country, I would be miffed. That is not what I am doing, and you should distinguish between the two, IMO, before you throw out the Vitriol.

TAM

 

[BPSCG]

Obama's outraged now.

"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday," Obama told reporters at a news conference.

(...snip...)

Obama told reporters Tuesday that Wright's comments do not accurately portray the perspective of the black church.

"The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago," Obama said of the man who married him.

Seems what he said yesterday came from the same cloth as the videotaped sermons, so what's so outrageous today?

 

[chipmunk stew]

That is the most far fetched theory I have heard in a while.
And the real damage that Wright has done Obama will show up in November.
You can spin it all you want, you can put your finger in your ears and go "La.La.La,I can't hear you" all you want but Wright is doing major damage to the Obama campaign.

That's what people keep saying every time some bad news comes up for Obama. We'll see what the numbers say when the polls catch up with the news, 'kay?

And although I have some problems with some of McCain's connections, to compare Hagee with Wright misses on huge point: McCain showed up at Hagee's church once or twice; Obama was a member of Wright's church for 20 years,and took the title for his book from Wright. Big Difference.

McCain's got far worse problems than Hagee...

 

[BPSCG]

...I have a resentment against Non US citizens trying to interefere in American Politics. And,frankly,that is exactly what you are trying to do. You take it way beyond just commenting on US Politics.
You really would not get a little angry if somebody who was not a Canadian Citizen tried to campaign for someone in the next Canadian election?

Sorry, disagree. I know no good reason T.A.M. or any other foreigner can't have strong opinions about our elections, or any good reason he shouldn't be able to express them. What he can't do is pretty well stipulated in the federal election laws, and I've seen no evidence he's done anything to break them. And it's not like his expression of an opinion prevents you from expressing yours.

First Amendment. It's not just pretty words.
Besides, I like to watch him and ConspiRaider on each other.

 

[chipmunk stew]

I don't hate Obama, I just cannot see him as the messainic figure a lot of Obama supporters do. I had the same problem with the Ron Paul supporters.
I am still undecided in the next election.
I can buy him being a better candidate for Pres then McCain or Hilary, but I cannot buy him as the next Abraham Lincoln.

You're talking about a small minority of supporters. Hillary's camp has been hyping the "cultish" "Kool-Aid" meme around the enthusiasm of Obama supporters. Most supporters are just that, though: enthusiastic. Not worshipful. Not brainwashed. Just enthusiastic. We like the guy, 'kay?

 

[T.A.M.]

Sorry, disagree. I know no good reason T.A.M. or any other foreigner can't have strong opinions about our elections, or any good reason he shouldn't be able to express them. What he can't do is pretty well stipulated in the federal election laws, and I've seen no evidence he's done anything to break them. And it's not like his expression of an opinion prevents you from expressing yours.

First Amendment. It's not just pretty words.
Besides, I like to watch him and ConspiRaider on each other.

Yes, but the difference is that CS and I have an understanding....fundamentally we are both on the same page. He is simply a HUGE Hillary supporter, and she simply gets on my nerves...to the extreme.

TAM

 

[chipmunk stew]

Think about this like a pollster and not a rooter for a second. What demographics does this help Obama get? Does it help him with black voters? Does it help him with white voters? If Obama had come out forcefully and said yesterday, "If that's the way he feels, then I do have to disown him," he might have gotten his Sister Souljah moment and the benefits you describe. As it is, the opportunity has passed.

He doesn't pick up any more voters, but he perhaps diffuses the damage, recognizing that his "Sister Souljah moment" has passed.

I could definitely be wrong, and even if I'm right, it may not work. We'll see.

And the happiest person in the USA is probably Bill Ayers.

How's that?

 

[Senex]

I have always been fond of Bill Moyers, but now I feel duped. Not knowing much about Reverend Wright I watched him with Moyers and came away with the feeling he was a brilliant person just out to help his community. I saw the picture of him and Moyers in President Johnson's operating room together (Wright part of the OR team; Moyers, the President's press secretary). I'm thinking you must be one hell of a sharp fellow to be black in the 1960's and be on the President's surgical team.

Wright was soft spoken and very articulate and didn't say a single thing I felt was controversial. The next day I told two people I knew that he must be being railroaded because I saw clips of the positive work his church did. His church tries to make local black youths realize they have more potential than what they see older black youths in their neighborhood doing. His church helps feed homeless people and helps the elderly. I told my friends that if you lived in his neighborhood you would support him because he inspires a demoralized demographic to try and be good citizens.

Now I learn he put forth the argument that the US government introduced AIDS to the African-American community as an act of genocide? That's even more crazy than the people who believe the US government was behing 911.

As much as I like Moyers, I believe his interview fell short of making me understand what this fellow was entirely about. I think Moyers has some explaining to do.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Seems what he said yesterday came from the same cloth as the videotaped sermons, so what's so outrageous today?

You mean the sermons he called "inflammatory and appalling"?

Good heavens, and today he calls the same sort of thing "outrageous".

The blatant double standard is plain for all to see, so long as they shut their eyes and pretend real hard. The difficult bit is acquiring synonym-blindness: this can be achieved either by banging a six-inch nail into your skull just about where Wernicke's area is, or, apparently, by years of steadfast Republican voting.

Your handy DIY guide to diminished mental function.
But frankly, whack the nails in anywhere, what have you got to lose?​

 

[ConspiRaider]

Yes, but the difference is that CS and I have an understanding....fundamentally we are both on the same page. He is simply a HUGE Hillary supporter, and she simply gets on my nerves...to the extreme.

TAM

Yep. I am guilty of Hillary Huggery. But Doc and I are still frembds.

Besides, Doc has agreed to smuggle me those cheap old-person drugs from Canada when I get to that point, and I've agreed to write him 10 jokes a day that he can soften up his waiting room victims - I mean patients - with.

 

[T.A.M.]

whats that, you need some Viagra you say???

TAM