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LizH

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Hi all - just joined today and very grateful for this forum. I don't really know how to research a specific practitioner of what seems to be pretty rank parlor tricks dressed up as psychic practice (for which people are paying a lot of money to witness).

Can I post queries using the person's name - I see lots of names named but want to be sure of ethics and didn't find anything in an admittedly hurried search of forum guidelines - not very expert at using boards like this.

Is this the place to ask for help in defining and searching for any skeptical/debunking material on the specific type of act. Can anyone coach me on searching out this info.

My goal is to be able to speak to folks I love who are buying into what sure seems like overt gunk (I've seen the performance firsthand) in a respectful way, with sources. Always with sources!

I'm happy to have any suggestions. Many thanks.

LizH
 
Hi Liz,
I'm not sure if there are people here who can help you to debunk specific types of acts, but you can ask and find out.
I think it's perfectly all right to use the guy's name, indeed lots of frauds have been discussed or mentioned here by their names, Uri Geller, John Edward, Prohet Yahweh, Sylvia Browne, to name just a few.
 
At the event I attended, a small gathering (25 or so people) in a private home, people entered, found a seat anywhere in theatre-style chair setup. Attendees found a blank "billet" form on their seats. Attendees were instructed to write on the form responses to specific questions - a dead loved one we'd like to hear from; a venture about which we were concerned. The room was a basement rec room, with a bar at the front.

The billets were folded into quarters, collected by assistants - in this case, the hosts of the event - and put into a basket. The basket was placed on the bar. The "physical phenomena medium" entered the room and spoke casually to the attendees. He described what he would be doing. Much ado was made of opening a fresh packet of blank white 3x5" index cards and putting a big collection of markers, oil pastels, crayons, colored pencils and pens into a different basket - some folks call it a 'snake charmer's basket' - with the cards. A lid was placed on the basket.

The medium taped gauze over his eyes and then put a big dark blindfold over the gauze. He began lifting the billets one by one and opening them. He stuttered and fondled the billets. His speech was a kind of patter, rapid and distinctly different from his pre-blindfold speech. He asked for each person by name. He made reference to their requests. I'd 'seeded' my billet with some quirky info that wasn't real to me. His 'reading' for me was flat and wooden, quoting my billet pretty much verbatim.

After the reading of the billets and delivery of messages from spirits and dead folks, the medium removed his blindfold and an assistant opened the snake charmer's basket. Out came the packet of cards, mixed in with which were cards that had, they explained, been colored by spirits with images on one side and a specific number of names -- five or six -- on the other. The attendee's name was one of the names written on the card; the others were names of spiritual guides or people in history or family members, all of whom were said to have some significance for the individual reading the card.

I could go into a detailed description of the type and quality of image on each card. The handwriting on the back was uniform. Attendees had all preregistered for the event. Several were known to one another and personal details easily shared beforehand.

I attended because two people I love are completely smitten with the medium and promote his work widely, and I'd heard detailed descriptions and seen the products of previous readings and wanted to see the guy's schpiel myself. They'd invited me to attend this performance and I'd replied that I had absolutely no money to attend. I received a personal call from one of the hosts, a working professional medium/psychic/whatever, saying that I could attend on a kind of scholarship - they waived the fee for me.

I was saddened and disturbed by the whole thing. It was several months ago. I left it at that because the people hosting it had been kind enough to let me come without coughing up any dough, but I was quite satisfied that it was a pretty blunt fraud and have used the whole experience as a chance to practice compassionate keeping my mouth shutness.

Yesterday I heard another person I love declaiming that medium's gifts to yet another person I love. I opened my mouth. I feel I need to research the guy at this point. I've fantasized about attending another performance with a magician buddy in tow. Not to make a stink there, but to validate my sense that this is pretty crude trickery. I don't have any magician buddies, though.

The guy's taking an awful lot of money from people.

Thanks for responding.
 
Liz, could one of the assistants have had the opportunity to read the billets? What's the guy's name?
 
He's basically doing a (bad) mentalism act. One that could have been performed as wrote 100 years ago.

Everything you described is in Corinda, and he should feel ashamed for depicting parlor magic as a paranormal ability.
 
This sort of billet reading trick is described exactly in Randis book Flim Flam p (244) including how to debunk it. Also read the sction about the little girl who could read through blindfolds.

You will find numerous variations of these tricks in many magic books as well. Not professional magic books mind you look in beginners books, ones with the rubber pencil trick in them.

Sorry to say but more than likely no matter what evidence you present they may believe anyway. The medium can allways fall back on lame excuses such as the presence of a non believer blocked his powers. Im not exagerating when I say that there is no excuse so dumb that the believers wont accept it.
 
Anti_Hypeman said:
Sorry to say but more than likely no matter what evidence you present they may believe anyway. The medium can allways fall back on lame excuses such as the presence of a non believer blocked his powers. Im not exagerating when I say that there is no excuse so dumb that the believers wont accept it.

But if you could do the trick yourself and demonstrate it to them, that might be convincing.
 
In case you don't have Flim-Flam handy....

the basics of the scam:

1) The 'seer' knows the contents of the last envelope before he gets up there.
2) He discusses the last envelope while holding the first envelope in the air so that appears he is speaking of it.
3) He then opens the first and reads it, and acts like it confirms the reading of the last envelope.
4) He then holds up the second envelope and discusses the first one (that he just read).
5) and continues on through the pile.
 
Also read the sction about the little girl who could read through blindfolds.

It's quite easy to read through a blindfold that isn't completely secured at the bottom. I learned that trick on my own while playing Pin The Tail On The Donkey and other games when I was a child.

Some tape placed along the bottom of the blindfold and secured to my face suddenly blinded me. My mom did not smile upon my cheating ways, but I sure had fun before she figured out what I was doing.

The point is this: Even a child can pull that stunt.

Gayle
Child Psychic and Cheat
 
You guys are great. Thanks for all the quick replies. Responses to your questions/comments:

- His name is Hoyt Robinette. He shows up on a Google search.
- He works primarily along the mid-Atlantic area, it seems.
- He makes a big point of taping down the gauze before putting on the blindfold. He puts the tape in a big X shape.

I totally accept (and already know from experience) that folks can't really be argued with. I just need to nail it down.

I totally appreciate the pointers to Corinda (don't know what it is but it sounds important) and Flim Flam.

Any other pointers (or any magic afficionados in Baltimore area who'd like to attend sometime at my expense - he comes around a few times a year) are greatly appreciated.

Again, I'm so glad for this community. Thanks.

Liz
 
Hoyt Robinette is not a Phony

I had my first experience with Hoyt Robinette in March of 2006.

First of all, it was the first time I met Hoyt Robinette. He knew nothing about me at all. In fact the people hosting Hoyt didn't know anything about me either.

The blindfold billet readings are done with lights on.

Hoyt had someone in the room open the index cards, examine the cards, and put them in the empty basket. The writing implements were put in and the basket shut. No one went near the basket the whole time the readings were taking place.

Hoyt did tape his eyes and blindfold himself.

I asked a non-specific question "What should I do?" I received a very specific answer "Go ahead and sign the papers." (That is exactly what my question was referring to by the way.)

I received a spirit card. The picture on my spirit card is my aunt who has been dead for about 15 years now. Also, I did not have my aunt's name or anything else about her on my piece of paper.

You can believe if you choose that he is not for real, but I know based on my own personal experience that he is real.
 
Hello, LizH, and welcome to the forum!

The parlor tricks you describe are beautifully exposed in The Psychic Mafia by a man who was a psychic medium for 20 years or so, and who then suffered a guilty conscience and exposed the whole racket.

One of my favorite books on the paranormal. I think you will find it exactly fits your needs, and you will find other things in there you haven't yet mentioned but I would bet are performed by the medium you spoke of.
 
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I guarantee you he is reading the billets. It's really tough to make a blindfold really prevent you from seeing down along your nose. It's pretty easy to work around the gauze and tape too.
 
Welcome to the JREF Forum LizH and MareMast!!!

A comment for you MareMast... If a magician were to perform the same "miracle" as Hoyt Robinette, what would you think? What if Hoyt told you after his performance, "That was a magic trick", what would you think? Just curious.

My opinion is, it's possible this person has some kind of psychic powers. But the more likely explanation is that it's the trick as others have described it above.

Also, MM... How do you think he'd do if he were to apply for the Randi Million Dollar Challenge?
 
Liz -

Hello and welcome. I commend you to all of the great resources mentioned so far. But I'd like to point out that even if no one could tell you how it was done, the performance you saw had all of the hallmarks of a magic trick. The elaborate presentation is designed to dazzle the audience, but the bottom line (that he can read minds) required none of that preparatory nonsense. A big show was made of demonstrating safeguards like the way he put on the blindfold. These were to distract the audience from the fact that the way the trick was done had nothing to do with those safeguards. And, finally, nothing said by the "psychic" had yet to be revealed in some way. He didn't actually guess anything that wasn't already known. That's just cheap.
 
If he could really read minds or get messages from god, why would all the information have to be written on the billets? As others have pointed out, this scam has been around for a very long time and there are multiple ways to do it. Peter Popoff used a radio receiver in his ear to get the information from his wife.
 

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