Religious figures reincarnated (Split from: Pope responds question from atheist)

[Kathie Bondar]

I heard that explanation before, but it's not what Francis said. Here's a Google translation of his response from the Italian original:

"God's mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere heart and a contrite , the question for those who do not believe in God is to obey his conscience . Sin, even for those who have no faith , there is when you go against conscience. Listen and obey it means, in fact , decide in the face of what is perceived as good or as bad. And on this decision you play the goodness or evil of our actions"

He seems to be saying that you do not need to believe in Jesus to be saved. If that's so, why going through the motions?

I worked out the reincarnations of several historical persons, Jesus among them. We appear to be reborn once in a thousand years, although the number is not set in stone. Accordingly, before having lived as Jesus, he was known as Joshua leader of the Jews. Then he came back to live a life as Jesus, about 900 years later he was born again as Francis of Assissi. Jesus has lived again in Croatia for seven years (1990-1997) as the son of a Catholic priest and a school girl, was sexually molested by a high ranking priest, who then and stabbed him to death.
Everybody is subject to the reincarnation cycles, and the method to recall one's past lives can be learned with some knowledge of psychology and history.
One can be male or female. For example, Mary, mother of Jesus has been Joshua's father, then she was Jesus' mother Mary of course, but in her next life she was born a male who made himself a name as a freed slave in Egypt. She lived briefly again at the beginning of the 20th century as an Arab woman, died very young

 

[Craig B]

I worked out the reincarnations of several historical persons, Jesus among them. We appear to be reborn once in a thousand years, although the number is not set in stone. Accordingly, before having lived as Jesus, he was known as Joshua leader of the Jews. Then he came back to live a life as Jesus, about 900 years later he was born again as Francis of Assissi. Jesus has lived again in Croatia for seven years (1990-1997) as the son of a Catholic priest and a school girl, was sexually molested by a high ranking priest, who then and stabbed him to death.
Everybody is subject to the reincarnation cycles, and the method to recall one's past lives can be learned with some knowledge of psychology and history.
One can be male or female. For example, Mary, mother of Jesus has been Joshua's father, then she was Jesus' mother Mary of course, but in her next life she was born a male who made himself a name as a freed slave in Egypt. She lived briefly again at the beginning of the 20th century as an Arab woman, died very young

I have some doubts about the things you have written here. Anyway Francis was born in 1182, not 900 years after Jesus' lifetime. Can you please tell me what "knowledge of psychology and history" enabled you to obtain this fascinating information about Mary having been Joshua's father in a previous life, for example?

 

[aleCcowaN]

I worked out the reincarnations of several historical persons, Jesus among them. We appear to be reborn once in a thousand years, although the number is not set in stone. Accordingly, before having lived as Jesus, he was known as Joshua leader of the Jews. Then he came back to live a life as Jesus, about 900 1200 years later he was born again as Francis of Assissi. Jesus has lived again in Croatia for seven years (1990-1997) as the son of a Catholic priest and a school girl, was sexually molested by a high ranking priest, who then and stabbed him to death.

Have your reincarnations together, brand-new soul.

You forgot to tell that he had already came as Monsieur du Cromagnon, Fred Flintstone and the guy who taught Akhenaten everything.

 

[Kathie Bondar]

Thank you for correcting me on Francis' birth date. All the same, he was the reincarnation of Jesus.
I started reading psychology after a couple of unusual events I was unable to explain to myself. I soon saw the fallacy of Freud's method of dream interpretation, while thankful for his recognition that dreams do have meanings. So, what exactly are dreams?
In time I was able to show that dreams are telepathy in the sleeping state, that dreams always come through in the present tense, first person singular. Someone is telepathically communicating with me in real time. (being a working woman, although I was aware of some telepathic communications in my waking state, for accuracy I came to rely on dreams, even though dreams usually symbolize and need to be interpreted).
This is an account in a nutshell of my progress. Several of the early dreams involved historical persons. When interpreting these dreams I had to put them in a historical context. For a while I went with the Tibetans' belief that there are some personal "somewhere out there" of each of us they called the astral records. Eventually I realized that there are no such records but the communications were coming from the person him/herself in real time. So where is this person? Jesus is dead, yet he is talking. So, where is he?
More than 20 years passed since I first got on this strange but interesting bandwagon, and now I had to show that there must be a parallel world where people who are dead to us on earth, must live. This implies two bodies, one that may die and the other that moves on to "where?" Where, but to a parallel world, since I doubt there is really heaven and hell, but certainly there must be some other location we have yet to identify. We do come from somewhere at birth, life simply does not emerge from nothing.
My readings into physics eventually gave the answer. I have identified the Higgs particle in 2008, included my sketch of it in my book I obtained the copyright for in 2010, and bingo, experimental scientists in Geneva in 2013 identified it as the God particle.
In my book I am describing the Higgs as the "little Higgs that can", because this is the particle with the ability to move from one universe to the other. As the physical body disintegrates at death the bond breaks and the Higgs moves over. Obviously, it must carry memories with it because Jesus now over there is able to talk about his life on Earth 2000 years ago, or about his life as Francis or his most recent life as a sexually abused little boy trapped in a nasty place.

 

[Craig B]

... My readings into physics eventually gave the answer. I have identified the Higgs particle in 2008, included my sketch of it in my book I obtained the copyright for in 2010, and bingo, experimental scientists in Geneva in 2013 identified it as the God particle.

I just knew that this ridiculous expression would cause no end of trouble!

In my book I am describing the Higgs as the "little Higgs that can", because this is the particle with the ability to move from one universe to the other. <snip weird stuff>

Was this remarkable property detected at CERN?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

So this is along the lines of, "I know I am not hallucinating".

 

[aleCcowaN]

The evidence seems to be the ability to stick to the script and not to blink.

 

[dafydd]

I assume that this thread is a joke.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Since the population of the World has been increasing for at least a couple of thousand years, where do the additional "souls" come from? Or is the turnover speeding up? According to my calculations wild ass guess, a soul has to be recirculated 20 years before you die. Does this explain dementia in the older living population?

"Math is hard." -- Barbie.

 

[Chernobyl X1]

and bingo, experimental scientists in Geneva in 2013 identified it as the God particle.

You should check your facts. Scientists first detected the particle on July 4, 2012. It's identified as the.....Higgs Boson. I don't recall any scientist who call it the "god particle".

 

[Craig B]

You should check your facts. Scientists first detected the particle on July 4, 2012. It's identified as the.....Higgs Boson. I don't recall any scientist who call it the "god particle".

Well, CBS News reported on 15 March that

The Higgs boson is often called "the God particle" because it's said to be what caused the "Big Bang" that created our universe many years ago. The nickname caught on so quickly (even though scientists and clergy alike do not care for it) partly because it's a great explanation of what it's supposed to do ...

Which, according to the OP includes moving from one universe to another and carrying memories so that Jesus can talk about when he was an abused little boy in the year 2007; and if it did that stuff in the detectors at CERN I'm surprised they took so long to identify it. Tau neutrinos and suchlike particles do not do those kinds of things very often.

 

[shemp]

Kathie, are you a New Ager, or are you selling a new version of Catharism? It didn't go well the first time around.

 

[Craig B]

Kathie, are you a New Ager, or are you selling a new version of Catharism? It didn't go well the first time around.

That was hardly the Cathars' fault. They were attacked and massacred. Maybe they've been reincarnated since then.

 

[Aepervius]

I worked out the reincarnations of several historical persons, Jesus among them.

Why , oh why, when i hear people saying they were reincarnated, it is almost always with one more more well known historical figure among them , or people in wealth ? Why not a full reincarnation line with only homeless folk, land worker, or slave ?

Frankly with all of you pretending to have reincarnated Jesus or another historical figure, I think the poor guy must have had 100 of souls in himself, schizophrenic like.

 

[dafydd]

Why , oh why, when i hear people saying they were reincarnated, it is almost always with one more more well known historical figure among them , or people in wealth ? Why not a full reincarnation line with only homeless folk, land worker, or slave ?

Frankly with all of you pretending to have reincarnated Jesus or another historical figure, I think the poor guy must have had 100 of souls in himself, schizophrenic like.

The hoi polloi do not reincarnate.

 

[ddt]

Since the population of the World has been increasing for at least a couple of thousand years, where do the additional "souls" come from? Or is the turnover speeding up? According to my calculations wild ass guess, a soul has to be recirculated 20 years before you die. Does this explain dementia in the older living population?

Good point you raise.

Frankly with all of you pretending to have reincarnated Jesus or another historical figure, I think the poor guy must have had 100 of souls in himself, schizophrenic like.

And there is the answer. Back the, in the good old days, people had multiple souls. Sort-of like engrams.

Why , oh why, when i hear people saying they were reincarnated, it is almost always with one more more well known historical figure among them , or people in wealth ? Why not a full reincarnation line with only homeless folk, land worker, or slave ?

Actually not always. There was a funny case with a Dutch psychic Robbert van den Broeke. He was engaged for a TV series about past lives. In one of the installments, he claimed that the subject of that show had had a past life ca. 1800 who had had the profession "genverbrander" (link to Dutch wiki), and confessed himself that he did not know what that meant.

The word doesn't exist; if it would exist, it would mean so much as "gene burner". The actual profession of that person was "jenever (Dutch gin) maker", in Dutch "geneverbrander". The same day, various people found that there was a genealogical website which contained that typo. So much for being a psychic.

"Math is hard." -- Barbie.

I think Barbie knew enough math to count the ca. 14,000 people he tortured and/or killed and/or sent to the death camps. I wonder who now is his reincarnation.

 

[aleCcowaN]

I'm pretty sure the "opening posts" were intended as a way to introduce a "book" Kathie has in the market on the subject of "this" thread, a sort of Almanach de Gotha of reincarnations. Fortunately forum members has to wait about a hundred posts before they are allowed to publish web links -a good way to avoid spammers, even the hard ones-.

If Kathie doesn't succeed in the North, she may try here, as we lost yesterday our resident ultra-nice Hungarian new ager (Lilí Sullos -Lenke Süllős- astrologer, the local Linda Goodman) and we may make good use of a new one. Solar signs or souls reincarnated, it doesn't really matter. Let's the amusement go on!

 

[Craig B]

... The word doesn't exist; if it would exist, it would mean so much as "gene burner". The actual profession of that person was "jenever (Dutch gin) maker", in Dutch "geneverbrander". The same day, various people found that there was a genealogical website which contained that typo. So much for being a psychic

Barbie knew enough math to count the ca. 14,000 people he tortured and/or killed and/or sent to the death camps. I wonder who now is his reincarnation.

Probably he has been reincarnated as a geneverbrander. That stuff is a crime against humanity.

 

[dafydd]

I worked out the reincarnations of several historical persons, Jesus among them.

By 'worked out' I take it that you mean ' fantasized'.

 

[Craig B]

I worked out the reincarnations of several historical persons, Jesus among them ...

Then he came back to live a life as Jesus, about 900 years later he was born again as Francis of Assissi.

It's interesting that your methodology of working these things out enabled you to follow the reincarnations of Jesus, but gave you a hopelessly inaccurate result when applied to the simple task of finding out when St Francis of Assissi was born, which takes about three seconds on the Internet.

Nonetheless I would be fascinated to know what sort of methodology or formula you use to determine these things, like for example that Jesus' mum was in a previous incarnation the father of Joshua, a person by the name of Nun, as it happens, who was one of the spies Moses sent into the Promised Land to case the joint before the Israelites invaded it.