Regarding Franko...

[Franko]

Since its been over a year, and you STILL haven’t presented ANY evidence for your religious beliefs, and since you post NOTHING but the same spam over and over again, what do you want me to say? If you have an actual argument for your religious beliefs – some evidence – I’ll be happy to discuss it with you, but your spam doesn’t really require anything other than me restating the obvious. I realize you don’t like your hypocrisy exposed MRC, perhaps you should run along then? I honestly don’t know why you keep non-responding to all of my posts?

Actually, I do know why … It’s because you are a severely brainwashed religious fanatic with no evidence for his beliefs.

What is your evidence for the existence of “free will”?
MRC, brainwashed A-Theist: NONE, but I devoutly and dogmatically believe in “free will” anyway!

What is your evidence for the non-existence of “god”?
MRC, brainwashed A-Theist: NONE, but I devoutly and dogmatically believe there is NO “god”, and anyone who believes otherwise is a credulous Theist moron!

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What is your evidence for the non-existence of “free will”?
Franko, Logical Deist: Atoms obey TLOP; You are made of Atoms; YOU OBEY TLOP!

What is your evidence for the existence of “god”?
Franko, Logical Deist: TLOP (“god”) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR.
In the same way that YOU are more conscious then a CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Lies and slander. You really are a sorry sight.

Hans

 

[Max560]

Actually, I do know why … It’s because you are a severely brainwashed religious fanatic with no evidence for his beliefs.

I am still waiting for proof of your magic "arguement" abilities, letter shuffler.

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

TLOL controls Letters controls Your "Arguement"

The above arguement is of course perfect. Any assertion on your part that you have made any "point" at any time is therefore a result of some sort of brain lesion.

How many lead figurines do you own?

 

[wraith]

I am still waiting for proof of your magic "arguement" abilities, letter shuffler.

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

TLOL controls Letters controls Your "Arguement"

what does this mean?

 

[Franko]

what does this mean?

Apparently our little A-Theist friend has somehow confused himself into believing that the fact there are only 26 letters in the Alphabet, yet all these posts can be written based on that simple system, is evidence for "free willy".

 

[Franko]

MRC:
Lies and slander. You really are a sorry sight.

Why don’t you set us all straight then?

What is the empirical evidence for your “free willy” god MRC? Is it a secret, or are you simply unable to be honest and concede that there is no evidence for your religious beliefs???

Since its been over a year, and you STILL haven’t presented ANY evidence for your religious beliefs, and since you post NOTHING but the same spam over and over again, what do you want me to say? If you have an actual argument for your religious beliefs – some evidence – I’ll be happy to discuss it with you, but your spam doesn’t really require anything other than me restating the obvious. I realize you don’t like your hypocrisy exposed MRC, perhaps you should run along then? I honestly don’t know why you keep non-responding to all of my posts?

Actually, I do know why … It’s because you are a severely brainwashed religious fanatic with no evidence for his beliefs.

What is your evidence for the existence of “free will”?
MRC, brainwashed A-Theist: NONE, but I devoutly and dogmatically believe in “free will” anyway!

What is your evidence for the non-existence of “god”?
MRC, brainwashed A-Theist: NONE, but I devoutly and dogmatically believe there is NO “god”, and anyone who believes otherwise is a credulous Theist moron!

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What is your evidence for the non-existence of “free will”?
Franko, Logical Deist: Atoms obey TLOP; You are made of Atoms; YOU OBEY TLOP!

What is your evidence for the existence of “god”?
Franko, Logical Deist: TLOP (“god”) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR.
In the same way that YOU are more conscious then a CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.

 

[Max560]

Apparently our little A-Theist friend has somehow confused himself into believing that the fact there are only 26 letters in the Alphabet, yet all these posts can be written based on that simple system, is evidence for "free willy".

Wrong Sparky!

Its proof that you have nothing to say. Free will or Determinism simply don't enter into it. Your belief in this magic ability to "communicate" your "ideas" is an illusory artifact of TLOL

Read this carefully:

TLOL states that letters can be placed in sequences, and that spaces and symbols can be placed in that sequence.

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

TLOL controls Letters controls Your "Arguement"

Why won't you show your magic "ideas" instead of just shuffling letters?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Why don’t you set us all straight then?

What is the empirical evidence for your “free willy” god MRC? Is it a secret, or are you simply unable to be honest and concede that there is no evidence for your religious beliefs???

I dont have a free willy god. Our present discussion is not about free will at all, it is about Determinism, but since you can't answer my questions you are now trying to change the subject.

Since its been over a year,

Well, I started here in August 2002, .... but dont let little details bother you.

and you STILL haven’t presented ANY evidence for your religious beliefs,

Since I have not stated my religious beliefs, it would be seem a bit superflous to start arguing them.

and since you post NOTHING but the same spam over and over again, what do you want me to say?

Says the compulsory cut-and-paste jockey, heheh

If you have an actual argument for your religious beliefs – some evidence – I’ll be happy to discuss it with you, but your spam doesn’t really require anything other than me restating the obvious.

As I have just said, I'm not discussing my religious beliefs, but you seem to want to discuss yours, --at least until somebody asks you to come up with any evidence.

I realize you don’t like your hypocrisy exposed MRC, perhaps you should run along then? I honestly don’t know why you keep non-responding to all of my posts?

Actually, neither do I. Likewise I dont know why you keep posting the same old arguments for - did you say over a year?

But at least I can have a little fun with your crap below:

Actually, I do know why … It’s because you are a severely brainwashed religious fanatic with no evidence for his beliefs.

What is your evidence for the existence of the "Logical Goddess”?
Franko, adolescent genious: Atoms obey TLOP. You are made of atoms. You obey TLOP!

What is your evidence for the existence of “The Progenitor Solipsist”?
Franko, adolescent genious: Atoms obey TLOP. You are made of atoms. You obey TLOP!!

What is your evidence for the non-existence of “free will”?
Franko, adolescent genious: Atoms obey TLOP; You are made of Atoms; YOU OBEY TLOP!!!

What is your evidence for the existence of “god”?
Franko, adolescent genious: TLOP (“god”) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR.
In the same way that YOU are more conscious then a CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.

Mmmm, didnt require much editing, that.

So, in short, cutting out superflous non-sequiteurs, you base your cosmology on the following:

Humans can't fly, and cars can't drive themselves.

---- Well good for you, but you will excuse me if I remain unconvinced.

Have a nice multiverse,
Hans

 

[wraith]

Apparently our little A-Theist friend has somehow confused himself into believing that the fact there are only 26 letters in the Alphabet, yet all these posts can be written based on that simple system, is evidence for "free willy".

haha
thats one for the books

 

[wraith]

Wrong Sparky!

Its proof that you have nothing to say. Free will or Determinism simply don't enter into it. Your belief in this magic ability to "communicate" your "ideas" is an illusory artifact of TLOL

Read this carefully:

TLOL states that letters can be placed in sequences, and that spaces and symbols can be placed in that sequence.

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

TLOL controls Letters controls Your "Arguement"

Why won't you show your magic "ideas" instead of just shuffling letters?

maybe you can use another example?
I dont see how this argument supports your belief

 

[wraith]

Hans

As I have just said, I'm not discussing my religious beliefs, but you seem to want to discuss yours, --at least until somebody asks you to come up with any evidence.

atheism is a religion actually

 

[MRC_Hans]

atheism is a religion actually

Not the way I play it, son.

Hans

 

[Franko]

Not the way I play it, son.

Define "Religion" moron-boy ... then let us see?

 

[Tricky]

Define "Religion" moron-boy ... then let us see?

How about

Religion - Belief and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

I don't believe in anything supernatural, least of all your strawmen. I don't believe in a creator of the universe. Yes, I am aware that you will try to tell me what I believe, but I think it can be truthfully said that I am more of an authority on what I believe than you.

Atheism is not a religion, except by your definition. Those of us dwelling in the real world do not accept your definitions, just as you do not accept the verdict of legitimate lexicographers.

 

[Franko]

I don't believe in the Supernatural either.

I guess that means I'm not Religious either.

I think there are a lot of Christians who don't believe in the "Supernatural" (God is natural) ergo I guess christainity isn't a religion either?

 

[Franko]

Okay, MRC (delusional A-Theist) so you claim that you are not bound by the laws of Physics (TLOP) correct? You do not OBEY TLOP? Or is that not what you are claiming?

If you are controlled by TLOP then:

TLOP (God) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR

Ergo your claim that there is no evidence for “god” would be absurd. Obviously if TLOP is controlling you then the Source of TLOP must be more conscious then you, otherwise you would control the Source of TLOP.

But I take it that you are claiming NOT to be controlled by TLOP, so explain what that means? What does it mean when you say that YOU are “choosing” from “available options”? Aren’t chemical reactions in your brain controlled the TLOP “choosing” from “available options”? “Matter” is all that exist according to you, so if “matter” is all that exist, what is the YOU that you are claiming is doing the choosing? Or are YOU claiming that YOU are the source of TLOP?

Why won’t you just state what you believe MRC? Why are you trying to hide your beliefs and make them obscure. It looks like you are ashamed of your beliefs? Why would someone who claims that their beliefs are superior to all others be ashamed of his “superior” beliefs? Perhaps you really don’t believe it yourself?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Okay, MRC (delusional A-Theist) so you claim that you are not bound by the laws of Physics (TLOP) correct? You do not OBEY TLOP? Or is that not what you are claiming?

Wow! You are right, thats not what I'm claiming.

If you are controlled by TLOP then:

TLOP (God) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR

"Bound" does not equal "control" in my dictionary. How does tlop bind me differently from my car? Which law of physics is it that you claim is controlling me?

Ergo your claim that there is no evidence for “god” would be absurd. Obviously if TLOP is controlling you then the Source of TLOP must be more conscious then you, otherwise you would control the Source of TLOP.

Aren't you afraid to wear out your cut and paste keys? I've answered this a dozen times. Enough is enough. If you can't understand it, then you can't understand it. There is no reason to reiterate this anymore.

But I take it that you are claiming NOT to be controlled by TLOP, so explain what that means? What does it mean when you say that YOU are “choosing” from “available options”? Aren’t chemical reactions in your brain controlled the TLOP “choosing” from “available options”? “Matter” is all that exist according to you, so if “matter” is all that exist, what is the YOU that you are claiming is doing the choosing? Or are YOU claiming that YOU are the source of TLOP?

You are concluding too much.

Why won’t you just state what you believe MRC? Why are you trying to hide your beliefs and make them obscure. It looks like you are ashamed of your beliefs? Why would someone who claims that their beliefs are superior to all others be ashamed of his “superior” beliefs? Perhaps you really don’t believe it yourself?

Read my posts. Or don't. Its all your choice.

Hans

You still haven't explained how phosphorescence happens in a deterministic universe.

Hans

 

[Franko]

So MRC by your definition of the term "OBEY" can you NOT obey The Laws of Physics (TLOP)?

 

[MRC_Hans]

In no way.

Hans

 

[Franko]

(#1)
Franko:
Okay, MRC so you claim that you are not bound by the laws of Physics (TLOP) correct? You do not OBEY TLOP? Or is that not what you are claiming?

MRC:
Wow! You are right, thats not what I'm claiming.

I notice that you go to great lengths to Not Say a lot. I know that a lot of other people notice it too. It makes you look weak and afraid A-Theist.

Okay so here: [MRC] = NOT[Not [Bound by TLOP]]

Same as: [MRC] = Bound by TLOP

(#2)
Franko:
So MRC by your definition of the term "OBEY" can you NOT obey The Laws of Physics (TLOP)?

MRC:
In no way.

And here: [MRC] <> NOT[Obey TLOP]

Same as: [MRC] = Obeys TLOP

So from #1: MRC is Bound by TLOP.
And by #2: MRC Obeys TLOP.

Franko:
If you are controlled by TLOP then:

TLOP (God) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR

MRC:
"Bound" does not equal "control" in my dictionary.

Since YOU are the one claiming there is a difference why don’t YOU explain what that difference is? (or were we all suppose to read your mind?)

How does tlop bind me differently from my car?

You won’t like my answer, so why don’t you tell me?

Which law of physics is it that you claim is controlling me?

You have stated that YOU are BOUND by TLOP, YOU have stated that YOU OBEY TLOP. Which of your actions are NOT controlled by TLOP MRC? Since you are the one making this ridiculous claim why is it that you believe I must provide the evidence for it?

Franko:
Ergo your claim that there is no evidence for “god” would be absurd. Obviously if TLOP is controlling you then the Source of TLOP must be more conscious then you, otherwise you would control the Source of TLOP.

MRC:
Aren't you afraid to wear out your cut and paste keys? I've answered this a dozen times. Enough is enough. If you can't understand it, then you can't understand it. There is no reason to reiterate this anymore.

Apparently You are afraid of wearing out your cut and paste keys. Either that or (more likely) you NEVER answered this point. Ohhh well, it is like I always say A-Theism is the ultimate Fear-based Religion.

MRC when you go for a drive, does your less conscious Car have more “free will” than You do? If not, then why not? How is it that less conscious TLOP (according to you) is able to control you, but not your less conscious Car?

This seems like a huge contradiction on your part, and the fact that no A-Theists ever wants to even attempt to address this point makes me conclude it is because they realize that they cannot address it. At least not logically.

Franko:
But I take it that you are claiming NOT to be controlled by TLOP, so explain what that means? What does it mean when you say that YOU are “choosing” from “available options”? Aren’t chemical reactions in your brain controlled the TLOP “choosing” from “available options”? “Matter” is all that exist according to you, so if “matter” is all that exist, what is the YOU that you are claiming is doing the choosing? Or are YOU claiming that YOU are the source of TLOP?

MRC:
You are concluding too much.

Well then Why on Earth don’t you set me straight? What are you afraid of/Hiding? Is it like some secret of the Illuminati or something MRC?

But I take it that you are claiming NOT to be controlled by TLOP, so explain what that means? What does it mean when you say that YOU are “choosing” from “available options”? Aren’t chemical reactions in your brain controlled the TLOP “choosing” from “available options”? “Matter” is all that exist according to you, so if “matter” is all that exist, what is the YOU that you are claiming is doing the choosing? Or are YOU claiming that YOU are the source of TLOP?

Franko:
Why won’t you just state what you believe MRC? Why are you trying to hide your beliefs and make them obscure. It looks like you are ashamed of your beliefs? Why would someone who claims that their beliefs are superior to all others be ashamed of his “superior” beliefs? Perhaps you really don’t believe it yourself?

MRC:
Read my posts. Or don't. Its all your choice.

Let me give you some advice. I doubt you will take it, but I like when I predict your future and you still let it happen. If you aren’t going to respond to my posts, then you shouldn’t be so public about not responding.

… Unless you are just a masochist at heart?