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Regarding Franko...

:rolleyes: Ehrm, no Wraith. A car is not conscious according to me or indeed to anybody I know. Why do you ask? :rolleyes:
Hans
 
I' saying absolutely nothing. I'm waiting for some Logical Deist to provide evidence for the absense of gravitons in cars.
Hans
 
MRC:
I' saying absolutely nothing. I'm waiting for some Logical Deist to provide evidence for the absense of gravitons in cars.
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What makes you suddenly believe that your CAR is conscious MRC?
 
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What makes you suddenly believe that your CAR is conscious MRC?
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He didn't say it was conscious. But since by your own definition:
From a Franko post of 1-24-2003
Under Logical Deism you (your consciousness/your “Soul”) is actually a Graviton (fundamental force carrying particle of Gravity and Time).
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It means that anything that has gravity has gravitons. Cars have gravity. That is, unless you are saying things without souls have something else besides gravitons which carry their gravity. Really, Franko, try to keep your own beliefs straight. I have to do all your bookkeeping for you.
 
Tricky:

It means that anything that has gravity has gravitons. Cars have gravity. That is, unless you are saying things without souls have something else besides gravitons which carry their gravity. Really, Franko, try to keep your own beliefs straight. I have to do all your bookkeeping for you.
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I like when you pretend that you are actually trying to figure it out Tricky.

It is very simple … Consciousness is the source of all Gravity. That is not the same as saying that anything with Gravity is conscious.

Let’s say you are playing D&D and you “see” a Cart or a Chariot. That “cart” or “chariot” only exists because the DM (God) says that they exist. The “matter” that they are made from only exist so long as the DM exist to generate it.
 
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I like when you pretend that you are actually trying to figure it out Tricky.

It is very simple … Consciousness is the source of all Gravity. That is not the same as saying that anything with Gravity is conscious.
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Does this mean that not all gravitons carry souls?
 
Does this mean that not all gravitons carry souls?
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No: 1 Graviton [always equals] 1 Soul.

A Graviton is just a special kind of meme, and memes are just distinct packets of information.
 
Franko said:


No: 1 Graviton [always equals] 1 Soul.

A Graviton is just a special kind of meme, and memes are just distinct packets of information.
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Then what do things without souls use to carry their gravity?
 
Then what do things without souls use to carry their gravity?
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You mean like the Moon, or a Car?

They don't really exist in the way that You or I do. For all intent and purpose, they are merely projections.

This entire Universe is essentially an illusion. You and I actually exist as particles in the Truer reality of the Omniverse. This universe is a carefully constructed elaboration of the True reality.
 
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You mean like the Moon, or a Car?

They don't really exist in the way that You or I do. For all intent and purpose, they are merely projections.

This entire Universe is essentially an illusion. You and I actually exist as particles in the Truer reality of the Omniverse. This universe is a carefully constructed elaboration of the True reality.
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Is this elaboration in the mind of the Progenitor Solipsist?

Are TLOP the rules by which the elaboration is executed?
 
Is this elaboration in the mind of the Progenitor Solipsist?
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I've had a lot of debates about that very subject.

To be honest, the concensus seems to be ... it's possible.

Are TLOP the rules by which the elaboration is executed?
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Exactly.

(well technically Gravity works across ALL universes, but the other 3 laws of TLOP only function here)
 
Franko said:

I've had a lot of debates about that very subject.

To be honest, the concensus seems to be ... it's possible.

Exactly.

(well technically Gravity works across ALL universes, but the other 3 laws of TLOP only function here)
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Interesting. I guess that means that gravitons only have charge in THIS universe, since only gravity works outside of it. Do they acquire charge and spin as they cross the border to this universe?
 
Interesting. I guess that means that gravitons only have charge in THIS universe, since only gravity works outside of it. Do they acquire charge and spin as they cross the border to this universe?
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No they acquired Spin and Charge as soon as Mass and Velocity were split. Basically Spin is quality of Mass, and Charge is quality of Velocity.

There really isn't a "border" to this universe per sae. This universe is basically a subset of the Omniverse. It exist within the Omniverse, it is a region of the Omniverse.

You exist in this universe because the LG happens to be entangled and communicating with you (she's transmitting and receiving information with you).
 
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