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Regarding Franko...

MRC_Hans said:
Yeah, well. Same person has repeatedly stated that D&D is a good analogy of real life. I guess that really says it all. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hans
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Well of course it is:

Atoms obey TLOP
D&D is made of Atoms
D&D obeys TLOP

See?
 
Oh, I thought it was

Dungeon master controls YOU controls D&D character

---- Or was it the other way around?

I'd better ask my toaster.

On that line, I just changed my car, as the old one was beginning to evolve a little too much free will. :rolleyes:

Hans
 
Max560 said:


What's there to dispute? It provides the entire answer, and sure saves on thinking!
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True, and in the same sense a meeting of egg & sperm provides the entire answer for your physical body.

No one has ever suggested the path from root cause to final product does not involve intermediate -- perhaps noteworthy --changes.
 
The Meiji Restoration happened because that was Japan's fate.
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Yeah.

So how are you claiming it happened? Let me guess ... through the magic of "free willy"??? :rolleyes:
 
Franko said:


Yeah.

So how are you claiming it happened? Let me guess ... through the magic of "free willy"??? :rolleyes:
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So far, you have failed to demonstrate your magic ability to "argue". You are just obeying The Law Of Letters (TLOL).

TLOL states that letters can be placed in sequences, and that spaces and symbols can be placed in that sequence.

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

Where is your magical "argument" ability?
 
hammegk said:


No one has ever suggested the path from root cause to final product does not involve intermediate -- perhaps noteworthy --changes.
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Noteworthy? Remember this?

Franko:

"How specifically is the creation of the Mona Lisa not completely or meaningfully addressed by TLOP? Are you claiming that paintings are not made of Atoms? Are you claiming that paintings exist beyond or above the Laws of Physics? How so?"

Be careful about exploring these "intermediate -- perhaps noteworthy -- changes"

You may unleash a 3d20 attack from Dungeon Master Franko.



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Franko said:


If you are claiming that all of these posts are also preordained then I agree -- they are all preordained by TLOP and the Initial State. That is called Determinism. And once you arrive at the conclusion that Determinism is True you are crazy if you call yourself an A-Theist (brainwashed fool).

TLOP (god) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR

In the same way that YOU are more conscious then your CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.
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I am sure that you hold the delusion that you have just made an "arguement" of some sort, and that you have made some "point". You are simply obeying TLOL:

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

TLOL controls Letters controls Your "Arguement"

See?

You may not fully grasp the magnitude of this. Perhaps I can help you understand by posting :

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

TLOL controls Letters controls Your "Arguement"

about 500 more times or so.

Just trying to help.
 
So far, you have failed to demonstrate your magic ability to "argue". You are just obeying The Law Of Letters (TLOL).

TLOL states that letters can be placed in sequences, and that spaces and symbols can be placed in that sequence.

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

Where is your magical "argument" ability?
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If you are claiming that all of these posts are also preordained then I agree -- they are all preordained by TLOP and the Initial State. That is called Determinism. And once you arrive at the conclusion that Determinism is True you are crazy if you call yourself an A-Theist (brainwashed fool).

TLOP (god) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR

In the same way that YOU are more conscious then your CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.
 
Hey, can I have a go? Ok, let's see:

YOU control STEERING WHEEL controls WHEELS.

Therefore the steering wheel of a car is more conscious than the wheels of a car. Kewl!
 
Hey, can I have a go? Ok, let's see:

YOU control STEERING WHEEL controls WHEELS.

Therefore the steering wheel of a car is more conscious than the wheels of a car. Kewl!
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The STEERING WHEEL and the WHEELS of a CAR are not Gravitons, whereas YOU and TLOPIS are.

technically speaking STEERING WHEEL and WHEELS have an equal amount of consciousness relative to you or me -- Zero.

Relative to each other however, you could be correct. It depends upon how you have configured the system.
 
Franko said:


If you are claiming that all of these posts are also preordained then I agree -- they are all preordained by TLOP and the Initial State. That is called Determinism. And once you arrive at the conclusion that Determinism is True you are crazy if you call yourself an A-Theist (brainwashed fool).

TLOP (god) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR

In the same way that YOU are more conscious then your CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.
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This is simply faulty thinking. Your "opinion" on determinism is irrelevant. You have merely shuffled some letters together, and thrown in some punctuation and spaces.

This fundamental truth supercedes any delusional notion you might have about your magic ability to "make an arguement".

Read carefully:

TLOL states that letters can be placed in sequences, and that spaces and symbols can be placed in that sequence.

Letters obey TLOL
Your "argument" contains letters
Your "argument" obeys TLOL

TLOL controls Letters controls Your "Arguement"

Perhaps if solipsism were true, you could have the ability to argue.
 
Franko said:


The STEERING WHEEL and the WHEELS of a CAR are not Gravitons, whereas YOU and TLOPIS are.

technically speaking STEERING WHEEL and WHEELS have an equal amount of consciousness relative to you or me -- Zero.

Relative to each other however, you could be correct. It depends upon how you have configured the system.
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Provide evidence for your claimed distribution of gravitons, please!

Otherwise you are just using one unfounded claim to support another unfounded claim.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Provide evidence for your claimed distribution of gravitons, please!

Otherwise you are just using one unfounded claim to support another unfounded claim.

Hans
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thats going to be a bit hard when someone looks at the universe through a "matter creating consciousness" view point...

for starters, you cant explain how you can be more conscious than TLOP and more conscious than your car without your double standard...
 
Evation. Provide evidence and lets see if it makes sense.

Cars and tlops are covered in detail elsewhere, and are irrelevant. Unless you are going for a circular argument:

Gravitons are conscious
Cars are not conscious
ERGO: Cars are not Gravitons

Hans :rolleyes:
 
Nah, you wouldnt recognize a circular argument even it yanked you in the nose-hairs.

Hans
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