wraith said:
You observe free-will like a child observing a santa clause....
but really, 4 sided tris dont exist
Why are you refusing to answer the question? You have stated that there is neither free will nor the illusion of free will. What then is it that I observe?
Which as you well know has been shown to be free will.
Oh, and no, that's not the reason. Not the reason at all or in any way.
and in every situation where you come to a red light and the conditions are the "same" you will ALWAYS stop
Do you have any more evidence for this now than you did the last dozen times you were shown to be wrong?
No. Because I have shown it to be so. The Banana Pancakes and the Fork of Doom utterly demolish your concept of MBP. I note that you have not even attempted to debate this, but have retreated to ever more desperate assertions.
You said
"I'm not sure that the argument of free will is related to the functioning of consciousness."
Yes. I did. And I will ask again:
Do you buy your stupid questions cheap by the case-load? If I didn't have consciousness, I wouldn't think anything. And you have now reversed your position. Which is it?
dont want to give an answer?
Very well: my conscious choices are based on how I interpret information, various irrational factors, the chemicals that may be sloshing about in my bloodstream at that time, stray quantum influences, my present physical environment, and possibly other factors as well. Not everything I do is the result of a conscious decision, either. Since you are a mindless zombie, you will of course understand none of this.
In other words youre saying
"Ill just plead sarcasm, in the hope that the question goes away. Then I will be "right" by default."
No, I'm saying the question is stupid and irrelevant. Look, I'll ask my imaginary friend Bob to tie my shoelaces for me. There. Happy now?
The moon cant "choose" it's orbit and obey TLOP at the same time.
The Moon cannot choose anything.
A soldier cant be commanded to go to war and claim that it was his "choice".
Soldiers have been known to disobey orders, wraith.
Yet your evidence is where exactly?
Saying that you have free-will is not evidence Pix.
I have defined free will as the ability to choose between possible courses of action. I do this. It is objectively observable behaviour. Six billion other people also manage to do this. Only you, the sole mindless zombie on our fair plant, lack this ability.
Point?
You both obey TLOP.
Actually, given your recent definition of "obey":
Obeys = is controlled by = is moved by = under the authority of = is governed by = is subordinate to
No. Nothing "Franko-obeys" the laws of physics.
And you cant have "choice" and obey TLOP at the same Time...
It may be true that you can't have free will and "Franko-obey" the laws of physics, though you have not shown this. Fortunately, it doesn't matter, since nothing "Franko-obeys" the laws of physics. We live in the Universe, not in your confused imaginings.
Nothing I have said suggests solipsism, and I have categorically denied it both as my position and as a useful position in an way.
Whats an example involving you and everyone else?
Everything we choose to do.
did all the atheist miss the hint of sarcasm in my post?
Sarcasm? You wouldn't know sarcasm from a hole in the ground with you at the bottom.
you have failed to prodice free-willy too
Wrong. You persistently deny evidence presented to you. There are six billion humans in the world who do nothing but exhibit free will. And there's you, the sole member of the mindless zombie clan. And even you make the occasional slip.
Stimpy is fanatical and doesn't understand his subject? 
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