Questions about Diabetes?

[MRC_Hans]

Mr.Hans,

Yes, it is good to drink more water except in some renal failure & over-hydration conditions. But how much water contribute to blood volume is to be understood?

Water only contributes to blood volume as long as you are dehydrated. Once normal level is reached, the water is passed by the kidneys, but a (reasonable) surplus of water intake makes it ieasier for the body to maintain the right level and to fluch out various other excess substances.

"Water accounts for about 60% of a man's body weight. It represents about 50% of a woman's weight. Mild dehydration is the loss of no more than 5% of the body's fluid. Loss of 5-10% is considered moderate dehydration. Severe dehydration (loss of 10-15% of body fluids) is a life-threatening condition that requires immediate medical care." Blood volume is appx. 5 ltrs in a 70Kg person. Total water in body of 70Kg. will appx be 43Kgs in man & a 10% dehydration mean 4.3 kg water. How then this dehydration contribute to blood volume is important to understand. Depending upon this we can calculate BG & Sodium imbalances accordingly.

Why don't you actually READ the text you quote? It clearly says that except under severe dehydration the contribution is less that 10%.

And no, we cannot calculate BG and sodium levels ("imbalances" is nonsense, what do they balance with?) from water content. Water content may go into the equation, but only as a minor factor.

Dehydration & Overhydration are conditions related to water balance in body.

Duh! Too much water or too little water are related to the amount of water. Where DO you get your insights from, Kumar ?

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Uhh, Kumar, I asked you some questions. why not answer them, if only to show you are not just a troll?

*snip* Both glucose and salt enter the bloodstream shortly after eating. Glucose uptake usually peaks within an hour. There is NO WAY the uptake of either could be delayed three days.

How was this observation made? How many times? What were the BG levels:

1) On the day of the snack binge?
2) The next day?
3) On day three?
4) On day four?

What time of day were these levels taken?

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Uhh, Kumar, I asked you some questions. why not answer them, if only to show you are not just a troll?

I think I told you that it was observed. Before taking snacks His BG levels commonly was 150/200 fasting & PP but started felling inconvience after taking of more & continious salty snacks for 3/4 days & found BG level gone to 275/450. BG levels were not measured all the time during 3/4 days. Fasting BG was measured in morning & PP at night after 2 hrs of dinner.

I can't say for sure, but I feel sweat & cough/phegum tastes more salty when BG level is high. Moreover, he discontinued salt, & feeling much better. It controlled his stomach gastric problems, blotting & excess eating habits. I think excess eating habit is related to NaCl uptake. It also looks high BG level is also related to constipation/unclear motion.

I think there can be some relavance of time gap for accumulation due to whole body concentration instead of blood level concentration, which probably body can tollerate for few days. Accumulation may be more related to whole body concentration instead just blood concentration.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I think I told you that it was observed. Before taking snacks His BG levels commonly was 150/200 fasting & PP but started felling inconvience after taking of more & continious salty snacks for 3/4 days & found BG level gone to 275/450. BG levels were not measured all the time during 3/4 days. Fasting BG was measured in morning & PP at night after 2 hrs of dinner.

I can't say for sure, but I feel sweat & cough/phegum tastes more salty when BG level is high. Moreover, he discontinued salt, & feeling much better. It controlled his stomach gastric problems, blotting & excess eating habits. I think excess eating habit is related to NaCl uptake. It also looks high BG level is also related to constipation/unclear motion.

I think there can be some relavance of time gap for accumulation due to whole body concentration instead of blood level concentration, which probably body can tollerate for few days. Accumulation may be more related to whole body concentration instead just blood concentration.

SO it was a three-day binge and BG was not measured till the third day? In other words, you don't know when BG started to rise. A 3-day snack binge would give raised BG due to excess fat intake. Most snacks contain 40%-70% fat. Of course stopping it would make you feel better.

No, high BG does not normally give any bowel motion symptoms, but those eating habits certainly might.

Hans

 

[Kumar]

SO it was a three-day binge and BG was not measured till the third day? In other words, you don't know when BG started to rise. A 3-day snack binge would give raised BG due to excess fat intake. Most snacks contain 40%-70% fat. Of course stopping it would make you feel better.

No, high BG does not normally give any bowel motion symptoms, but those eating habits certainly might.

Hans

But it rarely happens in taking more sweets, more fruits even more fats. Most inconveniency of higher sugar is mostly felt after taking more salty snacks/foods.

Taking less of sugar/salt can effect stool 's water retentions in intestines & holding food for more time can result more absorption.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

But it rarely happens in taking more sweets, more fruits even more fats. Most inconveniency of higher sugar is mostly felt after taking more salty snacks/foods.

Taking less of sugar/salt can effect stool 's water retentions in intestines & holding food for more time can result more absorption.

But you ain't gonna rewrite all of known physiology based on these few observations. The way you report this is no way to derive data from which to determine underlying mechanisms. All that you have seen can be explained perfectly easily in conventional ways.

 

[Kumar]

But you ain't gonna rewrite all of known physiology based on these few observations. The way you report this is no way to derive data from which to determine underlying mechanisms. All that you have seen can be explained perfectly easily in conventional ways.

It is not good to just follow in a compounder's type work. Discussions are for knowing something differant not just repeating/reading a book. Book knowledge is available free on internets, so it you want to be inteligent,creative, dynamic...just discuss differantly & dynamically/creatively. All you recent postings just gave you discredit/disrespect may be by all. Real Respect is in doing/creating/contributing not just in opposing/time passing talks. Just avoid & only contribute.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

It is not good to just follow in a compounder's type work. Discussions are for knowing something differant not just repeating/reading a book. Book knowledge is available free on internets, so it you want to be inteligent,creative, dynamic...just discuss differantly & dynamically/creatively. All you recent postings just gave you discredit/disrespect may be by all. Real Respect is in doing/creating/contributing not just in opposing/time passing talks. Just avoid & only contribute.

No, you're not getting away with that. You ask questions based on unwarranted and unsubstantiatable assumptions and these are brushed aside by the various people who post on these threads with incredible ease. The sad thing is that you don't realise how far you are from asking anything that really challenges medicine or science. The fact that you don't like the answers is a demonstration of how little you even understand the questions you ask or the manifold C&P quotes you post.

If you feel offended that no one takes you seriously, consider for a moment the huge amount of effort that was previously put in to explaining things to you properly and which you then threw back into the faces of the people that did all the work.

You are a rude, obtuse and ungrateful man and do not appreciate how much people have tried to help you. If you had even a fraction of the polite humility for which your (supposed) nation is renowned you would be ashamed of yourself.

If you don't want to debate seriously from now on, you should only expect to receive nonsense in return.

And finally, one small serious point just ain case tere is a chink in your armour of ignorance. Gleaning random factoids from the internet is about the least useful way of teaching yourself or formulating new hypotheses that I can think of. If you think you are capable of challenging mainstream science go and get a proper education first so you have the basic tools for scientific discourse, but stop playing like a kid in the sandpit of discarded ideas and dogmas.

You are a troll, my friend, whether that is a deliberate strategy or an accidental outcome.

 

[MRC_Hans]

But it rarely happens in taking more sweets, more fruits even more fats. Most inconveniency of higher sugar is mostly felt after taking more salty snacks/foods.

Taking less of sugar/salt can effect stool 's water retentions in intestines & holding food for more time can result more absorption.

Rarely, mostly, felt, can result. You don't make scientific discoveries that way. Salty snacks is the most fatty thing you can eat, short of pure butter. Of course, the salt throwing your liquid balance off doesn't help any.

Let me put it bluntly to you: A diabetic who repeatedly eats large amounts of salty snacks is a suicidal idiot.



Hans

 

[Kumar]

Mr.Hans,

Btw, how much a person can stay healthy if don't take common salt in diet. Can organic salt in foods/fruits serve the purpose of sodium in body? Anyway salt may not be the natural mineral to us. I have seen few person who do not take much salt. One think is common that they do not get too much craving to eat & their BG level is controlled. It may be related to 'not eating too much'. They also not feel much gas in intestines & usually feel very light.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Salt is a natural mineral for us. And an essential one, which we cannot survive without. However, it is very difficult to find a diet that will leave you short on salt. Even if you never add salt to your food, as long as you eat bread and occasionally meat, you will normally get enough salt.

There is one exception: In a very hot climate where you need to drink much water, there is a risk of an acute shortage of salt. But I don't expect you plan on crossing any deserts.

Hans

 

[Dr. Imago]

This is becoming a circus...

Mr.Hans,

Btw, how much a person can stay healthy if don't take common salt in diet. Can organic salt in foods/fruits serve the purpose of sodium in body? Anyway salt may not be the natural mineral to us.

You may find this hard to believe, but there are sources of sodium (Na) other than common table salt (NaCl), Kumar. And, ingestion of sodium does not always require sprinkling a white, granular substance on your food.

I have seen few person who do not take much salt. One think is common that they do not get too much craving to eat & their BG level is controlled. It may be related to 'not eating too much'. They also not feel much gas in intestines & usually feel very light.

These "few person" you know don't happen to be breatharians do they?

-TT

 

[Kumar]

This is becoming a circus...



You may find this hard to believe, but there are sources of sodium (Na) other than common table salt (NaCl), Kumar. And, ingestion of sodium does not always require sprinkling a white, granular substance on your food.

TT, I mentioned in my post:

"Can organic salt in foods/fruits serve the purpose of sodium in body?"

I have a book which gives details of "Nutitive Values of Foods". Sodium values are mentioned against almost all foods.

I was willing to know if organic sodium as present in various foods is sufficient or not, if sufficient, then will excess inorganic salt not cause adverse effects--or effects as I indicated.

Other questions:-

Whether imblances in digestive pHs i.e. stomach HCl, Bile & Pancreatic Sodium bicarbonate secretions can cause imbalances in blood glocose levels? Which of stomach HCl, Bile & Pancreatic Sodium bicarbonate can e responsible to unclear or clear motions?

Which of following symptoms can indicate insulin resistance:-

Persistant of high BG levels for long, less daily fluctutions in BG levels, sudden fall of BG levels on some unexpected date, control of BG levels or sudden fall on reducing/discontinuing of medications for some time, no/less energy based weaknesses, no weight loss, gaining weight/obese by IR patients, central obesity, gastric problems, unclear motions etc. It means glucose & insulin as much as body need, can use but balance BG & insulin creates other complications--as hyperinsuliemia(most heart problems as related to hyperinsuliemia can be thought).

Low insulin level in blood should cause weight loss, energy weakness, more fluctuations in BG levels, thirst, excess urine etc. So if IR can be thought just as indigestion of insulin."

 

[flume]

Originally posted by Kumar: "Can organic salt in foods/fruits serve the purpose of sodium in body?"
I have a book which gives details of "Nutitive Values of Foods". Sodium values are mentioned against almost all foods.
I was willing to know if organic sodium as present in various foods is sufficient or not, if sufficient, then will excess inorganic salt not cause adverse effects--or effects as I indicated."

The sodium ion is the same no matter where it came from. So sodium in foods is the same as sodium in table salt.
For some minerals like calcium, different salts have different solubilities, and some salts might be more soluble than others. But Na+ is very soluble in water, so it doesn't matter where you get it from. It will be in the form of dissociated Na+ ions. (I'm staying out of the other questions.)

 

[Kumar]

The sodium ion is the same no matter where it came from. So sodium in foods is the same as sodium in table salt.
For some minerals like calcium, different salts have different solubilities, and some salts might be more soluble than others. But Na+ is very soluble in water, so it doesn't matter where you get it from. It will be in the form of dissociated Na+ ions. (I'm staying out of the other questions.)

It is commonly thought that any organic based mineral is better than same inorganic based. Why it is so considered? Can we think that since organic based is accompanied with other minerals or effects pH also--it is better absorbed?

Furthur, when need of sodium in body can be fullfilled by sodium in our normal daily food, why we take additional salt? Can we think this additional salt is related to our several problems as we take lot of salt in modern lifestyle/foods?

Btw, whether bogy system holds sodium intracellular for long in case it is absorbed in excess or accumulated in body?

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

It is commonly thought that any organic based mineral is better than same inorganic based.

Yeah, but not by anyone sensible. Sensible people know that a sodium ion has not been painted with a little brush to label it organic or inorganic.

 

[Kumar]

Yeah, but not by anyone sensible. Sensible people know that a sodium ion has not been painted with a little brush to label it organic or inorganic.

But still sensible people take differant mimerals in differant forms. Differant salts of sodium can poduce differant effects, therefore TRS introduced which is not elemental based but is salt based. Molecular photons can be somewhat differant from elemental/atomic photons.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

But still sensible people take differant mimerals in differant forms. Differant salts of sodium can poduce differant effects, therefore TRS introduced which is not elemental based but is salt based.

Oh, dear, still stuck on the old elemental/ionic mistake. The last year has been a bit of a waste of time for you, hasn't it?


molecular photon can be somewhat differant from elemental/atomic photon.

More evidence of time wasted, I'm afraid.

 

[flume]

Originally posted by Kumar: Differant salts of sodium can poduce differant effects

Well, sure. There are two parts to the salt. There would be a difference between NaCl and, for instance, sodium bicarbonate, sodium arsenate, sodium barbiturate, or sodium glutamate. But for the sodium ion, it does not matter where it comes from.

 

[flume]

Originally posted by Kumar: Differant salts of sodium can poduce differant effects, therefore TRS introduced which is not elemental based but is salt based.

I see that among Schuessler's tissue salts are sodium chloride, potassium chloride, sodium phosphate and potassium phosphate. Is it clear to you that once in solution there would be no difference between a mixture of sodium chloride and potassium phosphate versus a mixture of potassium chloride and sodium phosphate?