Queensland Floods

Pretty scary stuff, hope all our Aussie friends are safe. My sister and brother-in-law live in Brisbane, but fortunately on a ridge at Sinammon Park (SP?) so they should be fine.

Still... it's pretty crazy to consider. Apart from the so-called "inland Tsunami" video from Toowoomba, what really struck me as illustrating the sheer staggering magnitude of the disaster was a reporter doing a piece to camera while walking along an arched bridge, most of which had water washing over the top of it. well, that was impressive enough, until you realised this was an overbridge passing over a major highway!
 
Latest news is that at least 30 are feared dead.

10 confirmed dead, 78 missing cited on the news now. That missing number has gone up after initially dropping slightly. Brisbane is going to reach first peak around 3pm this afternoon, then pass 1974 tomorrow.

BMO has been pretty much spot on for their river height predictions the past 24hrs
 
Pretty scary stuff, hope all our Aussie friends are safe. My sister and brother-in-law live in Brisbane, but fortunately on a ridge at Sinammon Park (SP?) so they should be fine.

Still... it's pretty crazy to consider. Apart from the so-called "inland Tsunami" video from Toowoomba, what really struck me as illustrating the sheer staggering magnitude of the disaster was a reporter doing a piece to camera while walking along an arched bridge, most of which had water washing over the top of it. well, that was impressive enough, until you realised this was an overbridge passing over a major highway!

Yeah.
My brother and his family are safe in Melbourne
There's times you don't believe what happening to your mates over the Ditch.
Maybe we could take some of that rain off them..
 
Yeah.
My brother and his family are safe in Melbourne
There's times you don't believe what happening to your mates over the Ditch.
Maybe we could take some of that rain off them..

It's raining heavily in Melbourne now, and though we'll get nowhere near the Queensland situation, there will be flooding. Up to 150 mms are predicted over the next three days.
 
Just spent 40 minutes ringing round the workers I'm responsible for. A disturbing number were surprised that I was telling them to stay home.

It's actually sunny where I am. Bright sun and singing birds....and the knowledge that it could stay like this for a week and the city's still going to cop it and cop it big!
 
I lived there for around three years and still have a soft spot for the place. I wish you guys all the best. Stay safe, mate.

ETA: I was surprised to see that Kangaroo Point was on the list of places at risk. What's up with that? I mean it is mostly high ground isn't it?
 
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Woke up to a sunny Brisbane morning, but the water is still coming. Latest flood warnings from the Bureau of Meteorology:

At the Brisbane City Gauge (lower end of Edward Street and at Thornton Street) rises are expected during Wednesday. River levels around 4.5 metres (major) are expected with the high tide on Wednesday afternoon. River rises will continue into Thursday with levels higher than 1974 expected. The 1974 flood peak was 5.45 metres at the Brisbane City gauge.

Wivenhoe dam is providing significant mitigation of upper Brisbane floods. River flows from the Bremer and Lockyer catchments combined with releases from Wivenhoe dam will continue to increase flood levels in Brisbane during the next 36 hours.

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The Bremer River at Ipswich is expected to reach around 21.5 metres during
Wednesday causing major flooding. This level is 0.8 metres higher than the 1974 flood peak at Ipswich.


Latest Brisbane City Council update on extent of flooding in Brisbane:

Up to 40,000 properties are expected to be impacted by flooding by Thursday based on the latest flood modelling. Of these, 19,700 are residential properties which will have flooding across their entire property. A further 12,000 are expected to have flooding across part of their property. About 3500 commercial premises will have flooding across their entire property and a further 2500 will have flooding across part of their property. A further 2300 properties such as parks and vacant land will also be flooded. The depth of flooding on individual properties is not known because this flood event is expected to exceed all previous records.


The Brisbane CBD will be like a ghost town today. Energex is cutting power to areas affected by flooding and trains are running on a restricted timetable. The ferries haven't been running for some time because of flooding and debris in the river.

For anyone who wants more local information, Queensland Police have a regularly updated Facebook page.
 
Yeah.
My brother and his family are safe in Melbourne
There's times you don't believe what happening to your mates over the Ditch.
Maybe we could take some of that rain off them..


I'm not sure we need it, to be honest. Everywhere I went these summer holidays I saw flooding in NZ. Lake Wanaka, Wakatipu, Hawea, Pukaki and Tekapo are all at maximum capacity and Dunstan was overflowing. And these are lakes that at this time of year should be worryingly empty. If they don't drain by autumn...
 
Because Australia is pretty flat, any floods sneak up on you gradually. The only people who get in trouble in floods are those who ignore warnings and try to drive through fords and get washed away. The only Queensland forumites I know of are in Brisbane, which is was safe.

Poor aussies. I hope they get safe soon, saw some pretty heavy footage on the news here today. With our history against the water it gets a lot of attention here.

Build more dikes!
 
Poor aussies. I hope they get safe soon, saw some pretty heavy footage on the news here today. With our history against the water it gets a lot of attention here.

Build more dikes!

My earlier post about floods sneaking up on you looks silly now. It's quite clear this is a one in a hundred years event.
 
My earlier post about floods sneaking up on you looks silly now. It's quite clear this is a one in a hundred years event.


I read that Toowoomba got 150mm of rain in 30 minutes... :eye-poppi

No wonder they're calling it a super storm. Seen some raw footage from there and one of the streams literally goes from a swollen stream (within its banks) to a raging torrent of water in a matter of minutes.
 
My earlier post about floods sneaking up on you looks silly now. It's quite clear this is a one in a hundred years event.

It was not silly. I could not believe my eyes when I saw clips of that flood.

I spend my dinner pondering how it is possible. I thought of things from childhood, when I used to build canals and sand buildings on the beach. Then when a gentle wave would come (maybe only 1cm high in the end on a flat beach) if you guided the water in a certain way (funneling) to a lower point... that 1 cm could become a massive force that swept away your big wall of sand.

For this to happen you need a beach with a massive sandbank so you can create a situation were further up the beach the land goes lower instead of higher.

It was really cool to play with the forces of nature in this way as a boy. One time I got so far that complete strangers (other children's fathers) joined me in my engineering projects which became bigger and bigger.

Too bad nature is not always so nice.
 
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missing is up to 90 now.

A big issue is Wivenhoe dam. It was built to prevent this but is now approaching 200% capacity. It's built to cope with 250% but it means that all new water flowing in has to be released. I listened to an interview from one of the engineers about 6 hours ago saying they'd stabilised the inflows/outflows and were maintaining overall volume.

Since that (live) interview, the gauges are reporting the level of the dam has gone up another 30 centimetres and continue to rise. If I understand correctly, that puts it only 30cm away from protocol requiring them to open emergency gates, unleashing torrents more water on Brisbane.
12/01/2011 07:06 74.73
12/01/2011 07:08 74.71
12/01/2011 07:09 74.73
12/01/2011 07:10 74.71
12/01/2011 07:12 74.73


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If any significant rainfall comes through the catchment in the next 48hrs, things are going to get a lot worse.
 
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Since I posted that -

12/01/2011 07:35 74.75
12/01/2011 07:36 74.73
12/01/2011 07:37 74.79
12/01/2011 07:38 74.71
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12/01/2011 07:40 74.77


They are struggling.
 
My earlier post about floods sneaking up on you looks silly now. It's quite clear this is a one in a hundred years event.


This has actually been looming on the horizon for awhile (perhaps similar to the way numerous factors aligned to produce the Black Saturday bushfires). From about the middle of last year the likelihood of above median rainfall over the summer and a La Nina event were in the offing. In Brisbane, the 1974 floods are the benchmark by which floods in the city are judged. Of course, since then the Wivenhoe Dam was built and it has protected us from major flooding. But last month when the flooding started elsewhere Brisbane's Lord Mayor warned that the city could see another flood like 1974. So the city is, or should be, as prepared as it can be.

This was climatologist Roger Stone on Stateline back in October:

KATHY McLEISH: Many people would remember Queensland as being very wet in summer are we returning to that?

ROGER STONE: Returning's probably a strong expression but certainly we're seeing for this year for this summer a similar pattern to the ones that many of us can remember back in the 1950's, 1955, 1956 and also around 1970 and 73, 74. So back in the 50's and 70's yes we had quite a few of these patterns. So for those of us that can remember those days, Queensland in summer was pretty wet and areas went under water quite easily, and we had to prepare for a lot of rain. So that was fairly typical back in those days.

KATHY McLEISH: With the onset of climate change are we seeing more extreme weather patterns?

ROGER STONE: It's more that the models suggest that we'll see more extreme patterns. It's easy to jump on a few extreme events and claim that's climate change but unfortunately we can't do that with just one event. But certainly because we only have 100 years of records its easily, it's easy to find an extreme event in there. But certainly the model suggests more extreme precipitation, more extreme rainfall, in south east Queensland actually. Certainly some of the CSIRO models suggests that we have more of these intense events, and I'm sure the water resource agencies and the people responsible for dams are aware of that and so that the construction of the engineering has to take note of the climate claim projections from some of the better climate change models from around the world.

KATHY McLEISH: What about the rest of Queensland? Is everybody in for a big wet?

ROGER STONE: Well, normally it's most of eastern Australia so we're already seeing northern Victoria have heavy rain and considerable flooding so certainly yes, northern Australia and northern Queensland and the rest of us in most of Queensland are subject to this increased risk. So the potential for tropical cyclones in the Coral Sea of course are there and there's a few more of them in this time of year and yes, all the major catchments in Queensland are vulnerable to this particular type of pattern. So, it's not just the Brisbane Valley and not just the Brisbane River, it's the Mary River, it's the Fitzroy, it's the Dawson, it's the Pioneer River around Mackay and so on, right up and down the Queensland Coast and inland as well.

KATHY McLEISH: So for a long term outlook it's a matter of reassessing the weather patterns next autumn?

ROGER STONE: Most of these years, I need to emphasise this; most of these types of years persist through to about autumn. So most of these types of patterns rather most of these types of patterns tend to persist through to autumn. The climate year tends to run autumn to autumn, not January to December, it's not like the calendar year. So the patterns that lock in around early winter tend to stay there right through to the following autumn. So, we had warning of this back in about May, June that this type of pattern was starting to develop and it's just fulfilling the text books if you like.


The deaths from flash flooding in Toowoomba and the Lockyer Valley are disturbing. Search and recovery is still underway so it's probably a bit early to be querying the adequacy of warnings for those events, but still...
 
The deaths from flash flooding in Toowoomba and the Lockyer Valley are disturbing. Search and recovery is still underway so it's probably a bit early to be querying the adequacy of warnings for those events, but still...


I think those are unique events. You have to remember that Toowoomba is 700m up a mountain range - it's not in a low-lying flood area. A freak downpour just happened to hit in just the worst spot and sent a torrent through the town. It rose and then fell again in a matter of minutes. You just can't prepare for that.

They got 150mm in thirty minutes. That's 15% of their annual rainfall in one lunch time. This summer I was caught in some heavy rain in NZ - 150mm in 24hrs. It was a torrential downpour for hour after hour. I can't even comprehend that much rain in half an hour. That is a phenomenal amount of water.
 
His comments are disturbing about the pattern hanging around until Autumn. The catchment areas, and especially dams, are going to need quite a bit of time with no rain to be able to cope with any more. This morning I heard of one Qld town that's been evacuated, and flooded, four times the past month.

Can you imagine if that type of problem set in for Ipswich/Brisbane through to Autumn? :O
 
Apparently they've been closing the gates at Wivenhoe to allow the peak from Lockyer Creek (the inland tsunami water) to enter the Brisbane River and try to maintain some semblance of control of the flow. Max at Wivenhoe has now hit 74.83m but they've done another huge release to drop levels 10cm to 74.73 in a minute, which is frankly scary. It must be an awesome sight up there, especially if it's blue skies as it appears to be, but I'm glad I'm not around when it comes in to Brisbane.

The dam is already back up to 74.79 only half an hour after that dump, so it's still inflowing fast.
 

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